Are those titles released?

I'm interested in seeing them, if it is by a professional company.



Grain + low bit budget = disaster

I think they overloaded Kaaka Kaaka. The movie is about 2.5 hours long, with DD and DTS 5.1 tracks as well as a 2-ch commentary which, IIRC, was encoded at a higher than usual bitrate. Even on my 35" I thought there were some problems with detail. On a few random checks of the bitrate meter, it never climbed over 5 mbps.

well, just to keep single disc, u have to make, a lot of compromises, that r disastrous!

I'll advise, Ayangran, to come out first, with a single disc, prog encoded, anamorphic film dvd, with good details, no extras, no dts, for sell through point of view at reasonable price!, then follow it up, if film/dvd is a hit, with special 2 disc edition, possibly splitting DTS/DD on seperate discs? or DTS only, with extra features, that might not be in DTS! this special edition, should satisfy the hard core, collectors!

Actually this is no different to the region one of Catch Me if You Can or Gladiator. The film was about 2.5 hours and had DTS/Dolby option with an addtional 5.1 track in French and 2.0 track in English.

Why should Ayngaran release the film twice when they can get it right the first time. Besides I have grown to love DTS and I would prefer to have this option on all releases and not just big hits.

They tried the DTS and Dolby separate disc formula with Anbe Sivam but the DVD costs didn't justify with the intake revenue. You mustn't forget that this is a minority market...not bollywood...so they must be extra careful on thier budget restraints. Under these circumstances they do the best they can. Name me one recent multi million dollor conglomerate EROS DVD product that matches with any of Ayngaran Products!!!!

Just compare LOC or Kakhee DVDs with one Kaaka Kaaka or Boys DVD. Even thier 1998 DVD titles like Vathapollae is miles better!!!

You should reserve your battles for quality on EROS, VIDEO-SOUND, GVI and YASH RAJ products who have the $$$ and the audiences yet they still rip us off!!!

If it looked like Gladiator nobody
would complain. I wouldn't
complain if it looked like grainy
OCN. But it looks like noisy video.

I actually prefer the older Ayngaran titles to the newer ones
I have seen. And I prefer some Eros
to Kaka.

They all deserve criticism. Ayngaran needs to be aplauded for
trying to improve. Now if only
they would go from trying to
achieving.
The Kaka DVD is progressive. But
it's not the kind of progressive
that makes sense. What they did is
use an interlaced transfer with 2:3
pulldown and put it interlaced on
the disc! The only difference to
EROS DVDs with 2:3 pulldown is that
they flag the fields that make a
frame in the stream as a frame. So
we get the 30 clicks per second
and a sequence of frames and fields
when stepping through the disc. This helps players that rely on flags only to some extent. But it
does not save bits since it still
encodes 60 fields per second instead of 24 frames! They should
do real progressive and store and
encode every field only once. They
really need all the bits they have
for their DTS and grainy masters.
So, Sunny, what is the best Ayngaran DVD mastered in India
so far concerning image quality?
It's not "Kaka Kaka". Which title
is it in your opinion? Are there
any with real progressive mastering
(48 fields stored per second, output as 24 frames)?

I have not seen above mentioned dvds by ayangran, but if Ayangran, for any reason, try to pack, 3 hrs film, prog, anamorphic, with DD, DTS, and extras, keep as single disc, for economics reason, and it comes out to be like Kaaka, boys, viramundan..

Then, imho, Ayangran r hopeless!! they r loosers as far quality is concerned! no one should claim, that those r quality dvds! they r craop, prog dvds! imho.

I again, as said previously, still think, their older, pseudo prog stuff, even cropped, looks better than their current, prog junk..again with apologies to sunny..

It is not matter of fight!

EROS..are HOPELESS..in DITCH! big time..DOODOO..If Ayangran is going in same direction, like YRF too...I refuse to give their dvds a chance for $20...I dont think, with DTS etc, they r worth it!!!

I dont think, any one with their senses would claim, that AYANGRAN r AUTHORONG, giving us BEST QUALITY stuff!!

I love DTS, but I dont care abt DTS on a BAD PQ DVD! period!

and now from stumble dvd rip:





***VIRAMUNDI is even worse, no SHOTS available!!!!!

Which transfer you guys prefer?

If u still prfer BOYS, KAAKA over stumble, then GOD HELPS YOU!ZULM is HANDS OFF!!

Any comments? mhafner, dragun, ali, rana, UL,and other guys with 20/20 GOOD VISION..LOL?

Are u speechless, or Afraid?

Let's see how Stumble looks with bigger shots from the actual DVD. Those shots look decent though.

I think Sunny said the Kaaka Kaaka shots were from DVD-R, but the finished DVD also had some compression artifacts.

Has anyone seen the Telugu DVD Lakshmi Kataksham, which claims to be progressive? I wonder if it has the same encoding problems as Kaaka Kaaka.

EVP did separate DD and DTS releases for Okkadu (also Nee Sneham?) and though I haven't seen the actual DVD (all the shops here carry pirate copies ), the shots look more like old school Ayngaran.

viewtopic.php?t=4569&highlight=okkadu

I have seen KAAKA KAAKA Orig DVD, and I can assure, u, it is no way better! than these shots? you have DVD too, ? the others r even worse!imho.

Any ways, Sunny thinks, I am cynical? well, NP, let it be like that!

But, i'll say, if I think, it is not GOOD!

These r washed out, MATTE looking pictures, man come on, look at sharpness, detail, contrast, precision, gloss!!! What r u talking abt?

The Nee Sneham DVD was better in PQ than Okkadu. I will capture some screenshots when I find time

I have the Lakshmi Kataksham DVD. How do I verify if the DVD is like Kakka kakka as described by mhafner.?

I thought Kaaka Kaaka looked okay on my 35" but it definitely had problems with compression and detail. Definitely not as good as other Ayngarans on my TV. I lent it to someone, so I can't look at it right now.



They're not reference screenshots. They are grainy and soft, but imagine what they would look like with both DD and DTS on the same disc. Grain and softness with compression artifacts added. My point was that perhaps Ayngaran should have put either dropped the idea of DTS altogether or to put it on a separate disc.

np, dragun, i did comment and these screen shots, do show kaaka a bit better than other..I'll laterz submit, viramundi and original stumble..

but i dont see any doubts, my self!

These shots sum up our feelings on Ayngaran currently: