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ali
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Here are some of the shots Arsh sent me from the Taal DVD – knock yourselves out with the analysis;

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rana
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Arsh, where do you see Combing??

I thought, this is what you said that you get combing when playing Taal in Force Weave.

Rana
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Zoran009
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look at the blurr, absent limbs, and edges of the images, e.g, the guy playing tabla!! I had more worse shots, that did not go through, but it is there, not as bad as zanjeer, shots...

but a prog transfer with these kinda frames..is ?

I'll send some more supplementing shots, if u want...
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rana
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Encoding problem is one thing and Combing another.

You and I differed only when you said that you get combing in Force weave which I did not get in my disc.

So, looks like it's the same disc that you and I have.

Rana
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sknath
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Hmm Arsh.. shot # 3... The guy playing the Tabla.. I can see some combing (rather jagged edges) on his fingers ! Is that what u are referring to as combing ?
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Zoran009
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Well, i f Pundits call all those lines., along edges and on the back of both hands, JUST ENCODING prob, NOT COMBING!!!

Let it be!! How you explain, blurring, absent limbs phenomenon, seen here, in PROG mode! and 24fps!?

Another thing, rana!! can u check my NOTES on KOHRAM dvd! where alternate shot combs???


"""Panch kahaenge, no combing, then no combing""" What should we call this?



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mhafner
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arsh wrote:
look at the blurr, absent limbs, and edges of the images, e.g, the guy playing tabla!! I had more worse shots, that did not go through, but it is there, not as bad as zanjeer, shots...

but a prog transfer with these kinda frames..is ?

I'll send some more supplementing shots, if u want...

I checked my Taal DVD. It is progressive. The example on
the market shows DNR smearing/ghosting (and excessive
colors and aliasing).
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rana
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Fuzziness and blobs are related to motion encoding. Fast motion requires equally high bit rate. It 'may or may not' be avail, or 'may or may' not have been utilized.

Look at DEI-EROS Maine Pyar Kiya (Progressive DVD) Kabootar song. When Pigeons fly (of course, very fast wings flapping), look at still frame. You see white blobs, not Pigeons.
A similar scene (Pigeons flying) is in the movie 'O'. I wonder how does this scene compare in the Hollywood DVD??

Anyone has 'O' DVD??

Rana
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mhafner
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rana wrote:
Fuzziness and blobs are related to motion encoding. Fast motion requires equally high bit rate. It 'may or may not' be avail, or 'may or may' not have been utilized.
A similar scene (Pigeons flying) is in the movie 'O'. I wonder how does this scene compare in the Hollywood DVD??
Anyone has 'O' DVD??
Rana

The Taal problem is not compression, it's DNR.
I have 'O' in HD and it looks just fine.
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rana
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mhafner wrote:
rana wrote:
Fuzziness and blobs are related to motion encoding. Fast motion requires equally high bit rate. It 'may or may not' be avail, or 'may or may' not have been utilized.
A similar scene (Pigeons flying) is in the movie 'O'. I wonder how does this scene compare in the Hollywood DVD??
Anyone has 'O' DVD??
Rana

The Taal problem is not compression, it's DNR.
I have 'O' in HD and it looks just fine.
:cool:

Does it mean that even with the same bit rate, Pigeon's fast flapping wings will be distinguishable if no DVNR was applied??

Rana
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mhafner
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rana wrote:
mhafner wrote:
rana wrote:
Fuzziness and blobs are related to motion encoding. Fast motion requires equally high bit rate. It 'may or may not' be avail, or 'may or may' not have been utilized.
A similar scene (Pigeons flying) is in the movie 'O'. I wonder how does this scene compare in the Hollywood DVD??
Anyone has 'O' DVD??
Rana

The Taal problem is not compression, it's DNR.
I have 'O' in HD and it looks just fine.
:cool:

Does it mean that even with the same bit rate, Pigeon's fast flapping wings will be distinguishable if no DVNR was applied??

Rana

Fast flapping wings have so much motion blur on the film
master that there are no clear features. Reducing the bit
rate will simply add blocking artifacts and noise. Using
DNR will further smear the picture.
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shuman
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anyone have the NON- dei authored version of Zanjeer?

and by the way, where happened to the links to the eros/dei version dvd screenshots? ???

:O
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Zoran009
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Nope, Shemaroo/ERos comparison, should be close by! somewhere!

This was to show ARTIFACTS in 24fps material..
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brownboy05
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Best dvd of ZANJEER (1973)?
Does anyone know a good full-framed version of Zanjeer?
(Not the cropped version from DEI which cuts off heads)
Is the EROS/ B4U full frame?
Please let me know.


Last edited by newDEEP [go-green] on Mon Jan 05, 2009 7:06 pm, edited 3 times in total.
Known Zanjeer DVDs: DEI-Eros, Eros, Spark, Baba, Bombino, MoserBaer, BIG HOME VIDEO


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DragunR2
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Why did they crop the picture on this DVD? The cropping often looks pretty bad.
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