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Zoran009
 Post subject: Re: sound
PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:20 am 
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harry_rasul wrote:
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On Indian YR Darr and Lamhe, the Dolby Digital 5.1 sounds like Dolby Digital 1.0 -- so even though it is not as bad as Sholay B4U where the same sound comes from all the 5 speakers at the same time, it is still bad because there is no separation... everything is oriented towards the centre speech speaker. Plus, the sound sounds harsh... unduly and unhealthy high treble. The worst treatment is of the "kabhi mein kahoo" song in Lamhe... it sounds artificial... like something was dubbed over the video!!! Other YR releases are good audio even with pseudo 5.1 -- for example, old movies Afsana, Dastaan, CID, etc... all good audio... I don't know why Lamhe and Darr are so messed up.

If the masters are the same as the U.S., then even U.S. releases would be as bad in audio.

Do let me know if you need more description. I'll try to write more on the menu options soon.






I have both the DEI/EROS version of DARR and well as the YRF. Sound on DEI/EROS as most all of us know is Dolby 2.0(I think it's stereo surround, like on the DEI/EROS Khalnayak). Clean and Clear. The YRF has a decent 5.1, not anywhere close to the best, but answering your query, I think its definitely way better than Dolby Digital 1.0. Same goes for Lamhe(pseudo 5.1) but no comparison to Dolby 1.0. So its possible that the sound quality for the Indian version could be inferior. It would be great though to see some screen shots of both (Lamhe and Darr) just to compare the versions available in the U.S


Harry both of you are right! Sound is mostly in the centre front!! and is pretty brassy harsh!!

DEI 2.0 Khalnayak, Ghatak are better than many 5.1s imho.

DEI monos..pure are smoother too!!

I dont know why on the earth yrf kaminapan screws thing up! :twisted: :roll: :x

I am more than 100% confident that yrf wont spare even a teddy paisa to make an all over new inferior transfer to fit Indian crowd :x :twisted:
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Regarding Silsila, I have the "old" (YRF) DVD, and it's 4:3; it looks, in no way, "cropped." My (DEI) Darr is 1.85:1 (I think), and it may br cropped (though picture and sound quality are excellent...I'm satisfied).
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Indian censor certificates always mention "cinemascope" if the film is widescreen. Silsila censor certificate does not say "cinemascope". So it can never be widescreen unless someone matted it out ;-) in which case, the widescreen would be the cropped version :)
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http://zulm.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6274&start=60

http://zulm.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t= ... light=darr

Courtesy My self via UL and Brother Harry!! For visual reference on DARR!
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Lamhe, courtesy Technogeek/ali

http://zulm.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2963&start=30
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Commando303
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NewDeep wrote:
Indian censor certificates always mention "cinemascope" if the film is widescreen. Silsila censor certificate does not say "cinemascope". So it can never be widescreen unless someone matted it out ;-) in which case, the widescreen would be the cropped version :)


Are you sure about this? The certificates used to-day are quite different from the ones used in the "old days" (yes, some 2.35:1 aspect-ratio film were made even then).
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so what's the verdict on the sound on the Indian DARR and LAMHE DVD's. From what NewDeep is saying, the U.S version seems better, at least where sound is concerned.....
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harry_rasul wrote:
so what's the verdict on the sound on the Indian DARR and LAMHE DVD's. From what NewDeep is saying, the U.S version seems better, at least where sound is concerned.....


Nope!! I dont think so, waiting for newdeep to confirm, same transfer as he did not post his SS..if so, it is Exact copy as expected from maha crooks! :lol:
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Commando303 wrote:
NewDeep wrote:
Indian censor certificates always mention "cinemascope" if the film is widescreen. Silsila censor certificate does not say "cinemascope". So it can never be widescreen unless someone matted it out ;-) in which case, the widescreen would be the cropped version :)


Are you sure about this? The certificates used to-day are quite different from the ones used in the "old days" (yes, some 2.35:1 aspect-ratio film were made even then).
O yes, any 35mm-based widescreen movie, whatever its aspect ratio, will be tagged as "cinemascope" in the censor certificate in India. Silsila was 4:3 and this is also what the Indian YRF DVD case says -- and of course the U.S. DVD case also says the same -- so clearly there is error on the web site.
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newDEEP [go-green]
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arsh wrote:
harry_rasul wrote:
so what's the verdict on the sound on the Indian DARR and LAMHE DVD's. From what NewDeep is saying, the U.S version seems better, at least where sound is concerned.....


Nope!! I dont think so, waiting for newdeep to confirm, same transfer as he did not post his SS..if so, it is Exact copy as expected from maha crooks! :lol:
I will try to get my DVDs back from hometown for screenshots... and yes, it's highly unlikely there are two separate transfers... please allow me some time. thx.
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Commando303
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NewDeep wrote:
Are you sure about this? The certificates used to-day are quite different from the ones used in the "old days" (yes, some 2.35:1 aspect-ratio film were made even then).
O yes, any 35mm-based widescreen movie, whatever its aspect ratio, will be tagged as "cinemascope" in the censor certificate in India. Silsila was 4:3 and this is also what the Indian YRF DVD case says -- and of course the U.S. DVD case also says the same -- so clearly there is error on the web site.[/quote]

Do you know what Sholay's certificate reads? :D
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newDEEP [go-green]
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Yes... Sholay was released with two separate prints... 35mm and 70mm.

35mm prints were shown as is in theatres, without matting... and as such, there is no mention of cinemascope in 35mm prints fotr theatres... and this is exactly what I've mentioned. (Some 35mm DVD/VHS video transfers have force-matting... only for the videoprints, not for theatres.)

70mm prints do not need the cinemascope tag ;-)
This too is evident from my note specific to 35-mm-based widescreen movies.

Finally, a 35mm-based cinemascope version was re-released a couple years back in Mumbai--and it carries the cinemascope tag

I hope that answers your questions.
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 Post subject: anokha coincidence
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have you noticed how much alike LAMHE and ANOKHA RISHTA (Rajesh Khanna, Sabia) are!!

Only the endings are different really -- donn you think so?
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!Thanks for the info., NewDeep. :D !
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newDEEP [go-green]
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Last week I was lucky to see three separate DVD releases of DARR all sitting on the same shelf at a local music store in Delhi --

Darr by Bombino

Darr by Eros

Darr by Yashraj

;)

(All Indian releases)

Indian DVDs usually carry a thumbnail of the Indian Censor Cert on theDVD case. Strangely, Bombino was displaying a hard-to-read "A" certificate... Darr was not "A" but "U/A" in India.
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