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PostPosted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:48 pm 
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Which movies Bollywood/Hollywood or other are you thinking are must buys in the new format? It's gonna be a while before we start buying them, but just wondering.....

for me

Starwars - All of them (yeah Lucas is gonna get more money)
Lord of the Rings Trilogy

Devdas (New)


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Adult films or pr0n :lol: Adult film industry is always the first to embrace a new format or technology.

Then Matrix triology, Kill Bill etc...


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You mean the HD-DVD format? :P Microsoft and Intel are backing HD-DVD. New play station doesn't have any relevance to Movie Media, hence will not be a factor in popularizing Blu Ray. According to Microsoft's website, HD-DVD has higher data capacity than Blu Ray. I hope Sony plummets to bankruptcy if they release Blu Ray films AFTER HD-DVDs. I would've supported Sony if it truly was a better format, or there were big differences between HD-DVD and Blu Ray, AND if they came out with this media long before Toshiba. Since they are neck and neck for release, I think we should all support whoever releases their media first!


all of mani ratnam and ofcourse RGV films ;) hehe also, I hope Eros and other companies that have done us a great disservice should go bankrupt before the new media formats release.


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HD hindi dvds sounds nothing more than April Fool, Joke to me :roll:


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arsh wrote:
HD hindi dvds sounds nothing more than April Fool, Joke to me :roll:


what are they going to do? release 720i dvds? (I wouldn't be shocked)


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Bollywood DVD - 2 in 1........6 in 1
Bollywood HD-DVD - 20 in 1........60 in 1


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I just watched a Samraat DVD today (Dil Aur Mohabbat; Joy Mukherjee). The film was 135 min only, no extras, filled up both layers of the disc, audio @ 448 kbps AND I have never seen a DVD or even a VHS this bad.

High Def or a Blue Ray or whatever, I bet Indian DVD right holders will be churning up these supposedly High Def DVDs from 25 to 60 field averaged converted.

But, if an Indian DVD does appear in a genuine High Def quality (no matter which film), that will be my first High Def DVD, not a Hollywood one.


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rana wrote:
But, if an Indian DVD does appear in a genuine High Def quality (no matter which film), that will be my first High Def DVD, not a Hollywood one.


I bought Sunil Shetty's Krodh by DEI, as that was supposedly the first anamophic wide-screen hindi/indian dvd released. KNPH was supposed to be the first one, but they released this one first.

rana, it might be another generation or 2 till Indians release HD media properly. :lol: ok, i'm kidding. i'm sure jerks like eros will jump on the HD wagon soon enough. well, "properly" is the key term here. who knows. even hollywood looks ambiguous to me.


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As HW starts releasing films on the HD formats, if Indian companies maintain current quality, the gap between Indian releases and HW releases will be bigger. Hopefully at this point, Eros, YRF, VS, etc. will realize that they have to catch up so their product doesn't look even worse for the comparison.


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DragunR2 wrote:
As HW starts releasing films on the HD formats, if Indian companies maintain current quality, the gap between Indian releases and HW releases will be bigger. Hopefully at this point, Eros, YRF, VS, etc. will realize that they have to catch up so their product doesn't look even worse for the comparison.


they won't care when desi's are willing to watch/rent pirated camera print releases. They'd rather ruin their eyes than to complain about a poorly encoded dvd or video. I was watching one dvd recently...it litterally made my eyes shed tears. I watched it because it has a brilliant 1st half.

There are usually some sort of truth in prejudices by reasonable people. In the case of the general Desi population, MANY Prejudices are valid and hold true for a good majority of the population. I'm sure everyone her on zulm have immediate family members that are willing to watch garbage, not neccessarily to save money, but for convenience of availability. after all, rental price for pirated is the same as for original. well, your 100 in 1 dvd's save you money :roll:

I'm in disgust of our nations for not controlling piracy. Including foreign countries where they openly allow the distribution of pirated goods. why is it so difficult for them to verify rights holders? after all, these desi mom and pop shops pay taxes from sales (I THINK, that too I doubt) of dvds and what not. US govt is making tax revenue off of pirated indian dvds?? crooked government if you ask me.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:51 am 
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Yuvan wrote:
You mean the HD-DVD format? :P Microsoft and Intel are backing HD-DVD. New play station doesn't have any relevance to Movie Media, hence will not be a factor in popularizing Blu Ray. According to Microsoft's website, HD-DVD has higher data capacity than Blu Ray. I hope Sony plummets to bankruptcy if they release Blu Ray films AFTER HD-DVDs. I would've supported Sony if it truly was a better format, or there were big differences between HD-DVD and Blu Ray, AND if they came out with this media long before Toshiba. Since they are neck and neck for release, I think we should all support whoever releases their media first!
You are rather misinformed on the Blu-Ray, HD-DVD rivalry. First of all Blu-Ray has a much higher capacity than HD-DVD. Secondly Microsoft & Intel don't really matter much to this issue since neither actually makes the hardware or the software for Blu-Ray and or HD-DVD. Play Station 3 or the other hand will play a major role in the success of Blu-Ray since PS 3 is pretty much assured of millions of player sales right out of the gate. Finally, all the hollywood studios except for Universal studios, are also on the Blu-Ray side not to mention the two largest PC manufacturers, Dell & HP. The fact that Blu-Ray is a far superior format in addition to the earlier mentioned factors means the war is almost over before it actually begins.

PS: HD-DVD is a format that would never have existed if it were not for the greed of Toshiba & Warner. HD-DVD represents obselete technologies being forced upon the customer due to a few companies greed. In fact the very existence of HD-DVD has led Sony to water down some of the technology in Blu-Ray simply to counter the price issues raised by HD-DVD.


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Sanjay wrote:
Yuvan wrote:
You mean the HD-DVD format? :P Microsoft and Intel are backing HD-DVD. New play station doesn't have any relevance to Movie Media, hence will not be a factor in popularizing Blu Ray. According to Microsoft's website, HD-DVD has higher data capacity than Blu Ray. I hope Sony plummets to bankruptcy if they release Blu Ray films AFTER HD-DVDs. I would've supported Sony if it truly was a better format, or there were big differences between HD-DVD and Blu Ray, AND if they came out with this media long before Toshiba. Since they are neck and neck for release, I think we should all support whoever releases their media first!
You are rather misinformed on the Blu-Ray, HD-DVD rivalry. First of all Blu-Ray has a much higher capacity than HD-DVD. Secondly Microsoft & Intel don't really matter much to this issue since neither actually makes the hardware or the software for Blu-Ray and or HD-DVD. Play Station 3 or the other hand will play a major role in the success of Blu-Ray since PS 3 is pretty much assured of millions of player sales right out of the gate. Finally, all the hollywood studios except for Universal studios, are also on the Blu-Ray side not to mention the two largest PC manufacturers, Dell & HP. The fact that Blu-Ray is a far superior format in addition to the earlier mentioned factors means the war is almost over before it actually begins.

PS: HD-DVD is a format that would never have existed if it were not for the greed of Toshiba & Warner. HD-DVD represents obselete technologies being forced upon the customer due to a few companies greed. In fact the very existence of HD-DVD has led Sony to water down some of the technology in Blu-Ray simply to counter the price issues raised by HD-DVD.


you misunderstood my post. as of right now, we don't know diddly squat. we don't know fact from fiction. I said ACCORDING TO MS WEBSITE. According to other websites, I too read that Blu Ray has higher capacity, this and that etc... one minute one company is backing up BR the next minute HD, another minute they aren't sure. I'm just stating the obvious....the end user gets screwed. I mean, who the hell cares for UDM media? get the hell over yourself already, Sony!

PS3 has no relationship to movie media. it's a gaming system. not a media center (c) MS Corp. (:P) j/k nobody that bought a PS2 bought it cause they sought the DVD Playback. they bought it to play games. personal computer compatibility is way more important for the end user than a stupid gaming system that will never mount up to matching a computer gaming system anyway. are they going to release Blu Ray drives for computers? (I'm asking out of ignorance)

anyway, it's all urban myths right now. we won't know until we actually get ripped off in the coming years. :evil:


btw, here is a link to MS Propoganda:
http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/pres ... oupPR.mspx


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Sanjay wrote:
You are rather misinformed on the Blu-Ray, HD-DVD rivalry. First of all Blu-Ray has a much higher capacity than HD-DVD. Secondly Microsoft & Intel don't really matter much to this issue since neither actually makes the hardware or the software for Blu-Ray and or HD-DVD. Play Station 3 or the other hand will play a major role in the success of Blu-Ray since PS 3 is pretty much assured of millions of player sales right out of the gate. Finally, all the hollywood studios except for Universal studios, are also on the Blu-Ray side not to mention the two largest PC manufacturers, Dell & HP. The fact that Blu-Ray is a far superior format in addition to the earlier mentioned factors means the war is almost over before it actually begins.

PS: HD-DVD is a format that would never have existed if it were not for the greed of Toshiba & Warner. HD-DVD represents obselete technologies being forced upon the customer due to a few companies greed. In fact the very existence of HD-DVD has led Sony to water down some of the technology in Blu-Ray simply to counter the price issues raised by HD-DVD.


Fair summation. However I think one of the reasons for HDDVD was the high cost of Blu Ray equipment and media when this all started. HDDVD supposedly did not have these costs associated with it. But after all the techmological advancements in the past few years, this advantage of HDDVD has gone away. Panasonic (Matsushita) has made even more advances in the previous months which supposeldy brings Blu Ray prices very close to the HDDVD prices

The only thing that I hope Blu Ray would support is the ability of the data to be copied to hard drives. I think HD based media centers have a future and I wouldnt want that choice to be taken away from consumers. The Blu Ray format is silent about this. I think HP one of the supporters of Blu Ray has asked for this feature (managed copy) to be included in Blu Ray

Many people think that the main reason that Microsoft opposes Blu Ray is because XBox 360 does not support Blu Ray, while PS3 does and this may give a big advantage to PS3 in the gameing console market as many people use theit consoles as DVD players as well


And when Apple chooses Blu Ray over HDDVD you can almost be sure that Blu Ray is indeed the superior technology


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Sanjay wrote:
Yuvan wrote:
You mean the HD-DVD format? :P Microsoft and Intel are backing HD-DVD. New play station doesn't have any relevance to Movie Media, hence will not be a factor in popularizing Blu Ray. According to Microsoft's website, HD-DVD has higher data capacity than Blu Ray. I hope Sony plummets to bankruptcy if they release Blu Ray films AFTER HD-DVDs. I would've supported Sony if it truly was a better format, or there were big differences between HD-DVD and Blu Ray, AND if they came out with this media long before Toshiba. Since they are neck and neck for release, I think we should all support whoever releases their media first!
You are rather misinformed on the Blu-Ray, HD-DVD rivalry. First of all Blu-Ray has a much higher capacity than HD-DVD. Secondly Microsoft & Intel don't really matter much to this issue since neither actually makes the hardware or the software for Blu-Ray and or HD-DVD. Play Station 3 or the other hand will play a major role in the success of Blu-Ray since PS 3 is pretty much assured of millions of player sales right out of the gate. Finally, all the hollywood studios except for Universal studios, are also on the Blu-Ray side not to mention the two largest PC manufacturers, Dell & HP. The fact that Blu-Ray is a far superior format in addition to the earlier mentioned factors means the war is almost over before it actually begins.

PS: HD-DVD is a format that would never have existed if it were not for the greed of Toshiba & Warner. HD-DVD represents obselete technologies being forced upon the customer due to a few companies greed. In fact the very existence of HD-DVD has led Sony to water down some of the technology in Blu-Ray simply to counter the price issues raised by HD-DVD.


to go with $300 hd dvd player, made in China! :lol: :roll:

BTW!! I am still waiting, announcement from YRF*s, ZEROS Lullah!, BEI wanabees etc whether they support BLUE RAY, HDDVD or will release in both format with Pal to Ntsc Conversion :roll: :lol:


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The quality of Bollywood HD discs remains to be seen. Factors that support quality are:
- The use of DI in Bollywood where the HD is made from the DI by the producers. If that
HD is just compressed and put on disc the quality is no longer in the hands of clueless greedy
amateur shops or lowest cost shops that butcher up the source as they please. The
compression remains critical and you can ruin anything with stupidity but the starting point
is a good quality original element.
- Digital cinema in India requires theater quality masters, even if it's only 720p HD for cheaper
projectors. A good 720p HD put on disc is not bad.
- Bollywood films are more and more shown on international TV channels. The requirement to
provide Western quality video masters in HD wlll become more urgent and the market will
pressure Indian producers to deliver that. Once HD masters for TV are made they will be
used for HD-DVD/BR as well.
Factors that go against good quality HD discs
- General disinterest of the Bollywood consumer and producer in good quality video versions
of Bollywood films. Quantitiy over quality philosophy. No quality awareness among market
participants.
- Pirate infested market limiting profitabilty for quality work
- Limited buying power of market for Bollywood product even with no piracy.
- Technical incomptence widespread. No understanding of underlying technologies and
proper use of tools (there are exceptions of course).

There are some good HD masters around of Bollywood films and if they are put on disc by a competent facility you can expect a feast for eyes and ears: Lakshya, Lagaan, Paheli, Swades...


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