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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:47 pm 
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At our specific request, they removed from their site for a month. so we need to wait for another couple of weeks before they list TIS.


Not to be nosy, but what is the rationale in doing that ?. I mean does it not make sense to allow more people to listen so they can actually "try it" before they "buy it".


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Its a mistake. When they sent a request to all MP3 sites, they include raaga and musiconline (by mistake) as well. They will rectify very soon.


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I am quoting another person's view that I found in IR yahoo group. I liked his view very much. Thought I will post it here.

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Different people have different ways of visualizing and enjoying this song. Going through the original SivapuraNam (it is actually a 'thaRchiRappup paayiram' which is normally used by poets to display their poetic prowess to attract the audience) and comparing it with how the Maestro has reassembled the lines for this composition, I got the following view. I don't know how many will agree with this. Anyway, here I go......

Polla Vinayaen:
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The theme of the composition is to state that Shiva helped a lowly creep to reach the highest state of existence.

I visualize the song like this: There is this slimy, filthy thing living in the gutter. Suddenly it got a blurry vision of something great and realised it has to get out of the filth and reach the great thing. It goes through all the labours that one can go through and after an inordinately long time, gets out of the filth, rushes with great effort and joy in an uphill task and finally reaches the abode of the great being.

The beginning:
The maestro picked the lines that plead like a lowly filth that does not even know how to praise the greatness of Shiva. Both the music and the poetry are rendered to show enormous labor and agony. The meandering strings are so controlled and range-bound, they show the labours in getting out of the filth. The occasional bursts are when one gets glimpses of Shiva's greatness.

Escape from ignorance:
The line "agyaanam agalvikkum nallarivae" (3:30) gave the knowledge to get out of the filth (ignorance)! By the time we reach "So many forms I must wear", (3:36) he found a way to get out of the filth! The strings have now got a lively pace rushing out to light and freshness. But now the knowledge has brought the problem of multiple births.

Cycle of births:
The repeated "piRandhiLaiththaen"s (4:00) show the weariness caused by repeated births. But then it is the fact of life. One has to go through it. Life springs up from the lowest form. (4:20) The violins represent water from which everything springs up. The flute and the other "winds" represent evolution of life along with the lyrics "pullaagi, poodaagi" (4:25). As the life moves onto higher forms, the orchestra, tune, chorus, everything builds up and reaches a crescendo at "munivaraay, dhaevaraay" (5:12)! At that time the realization comes that it is HE who has helped you reach this far. The "Om" (5:48) marks that blissful moment! Now, with this new realization comes the peaceful hailing of Shiva.(6:00 - 7:27)

Escape from sins:
Problems are not over yet! Arrogance ("aRambaavam") (7:30) envelops the soul! This filthy body still holds on to the soul!! This section is all about pleading to be released from these problems. The pleads are at a fixed slow pace without any enthusiasm or happiness. This is like slow-walking through thorny shrubbery. "My eyes were set on" (10:14) marks the escape from the shrubbery. This part acts as a bridge towards the escape. At reaching "vaeRRu vikaara", (11:45) the pace has quickened. You see the greatness of the Lord and you know you have to reach out to him as fast as you can so he will help you out of this body and mind. The pace quickens showing a brisk walk of the ascetic through the plains towards Shiva.

The distant view:
For the first time, (on reaching "Oya uraippan yaan" 12:37,) there is the glimpse of the Lord from the distance. This is just about praise and nothing about the singer. All the instruments have gone except for the drone. (The drone represents the divine presence. It lilts through the "thirukkOththumbi" song.) Now it is just the hymn and Shiva's view.

The peaceful run:
Now that the Lord has been seen, the mind attains a certain level of peace. It now travels in a jolly mood towards the distant hills where the Lord sits. The choice of "maasaRRa sOdhi" (14:57) [flawless flame] as the theme for this section tells of the clear and unobstructed view of the Lord (relatively closer view than the previous section). The gentle percussion gives the feeling of walking through lush green pastures. All the experiments about happiness with various instruments and chorus are conducted. This is like a happy marriage party going towards the marriage hall. Just that, here the journey is towards the abode of the Lord.

The foothills:
Suddenly, at a momentous turn, we are at the foothills! The quick pace immediately following the "beginning to be free" (17:50) shows the preparations for the final climb. The hill top is in view now. The beautiful chorus "aaa" (18:00) marks the tears of elation flowing down the cheeks while starting the climb.

The climb:
Climbing up a hill is not an easy task. So what do you do when you do a laborious task? That too when you are going towards the Lord and you want him to help you with the climb? "Eesan adipoRRi" (18:15) is what you sing. The way the tune meanders in every direction, shows the rocks and shrubbery one passes through happily. The occasional "Hail! Hail!" are the lumps of soft snow that give in under your feet. When we get the final set of "Hail! Hail!" (19:15) it is snow all over! And the mist clears....

The union:
... to give a blissful view of the Lord, Up, Close and Personal! Everything else gives in to the drone of "Namasivaaya vaazhga!" (19:30) Nothing else exists. It is just you and the Lord. The final "thannannannaadhinam" is when the union happens. You are one with the Lord!


"Now, THAT is immortal music!"

Regards,
Swami


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Continuation of previous post by Swami

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Hi all,

Here is another piece on Pollaa Vinayaen! Just enjoy this contrapuntal treat.

Once you reach 17:55, beyond "beginning to be free", multiple counterpoints start going on in parallel.

The initial humming between 18:00 and 18:10 with the female (low pitch) aaah and the male coarse (very low pitch) ohhh tells that it is going to be a contrapuntal treat (with multiple counterpoints) going forward. [[ Counterpoint = A musical form involving the simultaneous sound of two or more melodies. Contrapuntal = Having two or more independent but harmonically related melodic parts sounding together.]]

1. The female chorus of pORRi
2. The male chorus of pORRi
3. The female chorus of Hail in a higher pitch
4. The male chorus of Hail in a slightly lower pitch
5. Ilaiyaraaja's pORRi
6. The violin arrangement
7. The cello arrangement
8. All the other instruments

When the "pORRi"s start, all the counterpoints run their course separately. By the time we reach "seeraap perunthuRaitham", the cellos merge with the female "pORRi" chorus. By "maaRaatha inbam", the violins have merged with the male "pORRi" chorus. By "aaRaatha inbam" 1, 2, 5, 6 and 7 have merged together (19:10)! By 19:45, 3 and 4 are merged and you have a 2-part counterpoint (8 is mostly dropped off) having a Western chorus and an Eastern chorus with the strings. By 20:00, everything merges together for a finale!


Very few symphony composers have used five or more counterpoints. (Western Classical connoisseurs in the group can give samples for these.) And our maestro has gone for eight! Be proud that you have been enjoying his music for 3 decades!!

Regards,
Swami
The most savage controversies are those about matters as to which there is no good evidence either way. [Bertrand Russell]
(Quote 149 of 185, from kookies.txt)



There apparently was a power point presentation explaining the "technical" aspects of TIS and how IR has used some of this high-fy stuff in his early 80s (thats why RDB once said, IR composition is 20 years ahead of what we can even dream about). I will try to get the PPP for music geeks.

Personally I didnt understand a bit of it, except "Be proud that you have been enjoying his music for 3 decades!!"


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DVDU, have you received the special edition yet?


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I havent received it, but the moment I receive it, it will be on its way to ur mail box.


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Interesting (relevant?) article

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/12/healt ... 2musi.html


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I have no words yet. It will take a peacefull weekend alone for me to even open my mouth regarding this album :!:


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I know. Both you and dvdisoil kep quite. Please speak up (when you can!) so others get influenced!


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dvdunlimited wrote:
I know. Both you and dvdisoil kep quite. Please speak up (when you can!) so others get influenced!


That's because there are no words to describe the feeling that is experienced through Sri Ilaiyaraaja!!!! :(


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Pav

I do have a (bad) news for you. "Pav"atharini is engaged :( . She will be married to someone other than you by end of the year!

So now you have to find another girl. As far as I know IR doesnt have anymore girls. Rajni still has a daughter, Kamal has 2 daughters, and if you want someone with music knowledge, Kamal daughter is ready for composing, so keep looking for her!


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dvdunlimited wrote:
Pav

I do have a (bad) news for you. "Pav"atharini is engaged :( . She will be married to someone other than you by end of the year!

So now you have to find another girl. As far as I know IR doesnt have anymore girls. Rajni still has a daughter, Kamal has 2 daughters, and if you want someone with music knowledge, Kamal daughter is ready for composing, so keep looking for her!


:wink: :lol: DU you have a lot of potentials!! 8)


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Pav

I do have a (bad) news for you. "Pav"atharini is engaged :( . She will be married to someone other than you by end of the year!

So now you have to find another girl. As far as I know IR doesnt have anymore girls. Rajni still has a daughter, Kamal has 2 daughters, and if you want someone with music knowledge, Kamal daughter is ready for composing, so keep looking for her!


:wink: :lol: DU you have a lot of potentials!! 8)


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dvdunlimited wrote:
Both you and dvdisoil kep quite. Please speak up (when you can!) so others get influenced!


Perhaps oneday i will sit down to write about my feelings on TIS , till then let me simply bow down to his masters music


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Is there any way to PREVIEW this title guys? Why this has to be kept under the covers? :wink: :?: :idea: :roll:


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:( :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

why oh why?? I am NOT worthy anyhow.

Her voice makes my heart melt...kamal & rajni can have a 100 daughters, they won't compare. :P It's not bad news, hope he treats Her well! :cry: One of my friends who has a similar voice to Her, who is a bathroom singer is also engaged to be married :cry: obviously not to me.

arsh, you waste your precious money on hindi film dvd garbage to rent/buy etc..no need to preview, just ORDER man!! It's all western classical. It's beautiful.

Bramhachari,
Pav

ps-does bramhachari mean virgin or unwed :?:


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