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kamran
PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 12:38 am 
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From indiafm.com -

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Dear Ashutosh…

By Taran Adarsh, December 21st, 2004 - 1030 hrs IST


Dear Ashutosh,

After viewing SWADES last Wednesday, when I finished putting my thoughts on paper, I had two people constantly on my mind - SRK and you, Ashu. Both being friends, I didn't know how you would react to my off-putting, unfavorable opinion to your film.

I knew it all along that the entire media would go ga-ga over SWADES and shower it with glowing reviews and 4/5 star ratings. And my sole [negative] review would stand out like a sore thumb. Your fans/well-wishers worldwide would scoff at me, perhaps even curse me and flood me with hate mails for being so hypercritical about the film.

I also felt friends/producers of SRK might condemn my review. After all, I was criticizing a film that had been directed by someone whose previous film was not merely a box-office success, but also nominated for the Academy Awards.

But something within me was telling me that your film would not connect with the masses [it didn't connect with me either!]. That's when I decided that I rather face the wrath of some people than write something I didn't believe in. I'd rather speak my mind, I told myself.

In my career, I have seldom come across people who have gracefully come to terms with reality. Almost every film-maker strongly feels that he has made a masterpiece, which just can't go wrong and in turn gets annoyed if critics rip his film apart. Of course, before the week has even ended, the dwindling collections make the producer see reality and by Week 2, the critics are conveniently 'forgiven' and the 'blame-game' starts: Sometimes the weather is the culprit, at times the examinations, occasionally the cricket matches…

Very rarely have I come across a gentleman [like you] who has graciously accepted the ground realities. When I saw your name flashing on my cellphone on Sunday evening, all sorts of thoughts crossed my mind before I answered your call. But hearing your warm and friendly voice made the entire conversation easy.

To start the conversation by saying that you agreed with my views largely [despite the glowing reviews and 4-star ratings by the entire media] made me appreciate the fact that you have your head firmly planted on your shoulders. Also, you've not got carried away by lustrous words from almost the entire media.

You know exactly where your film stands vis-à-vis the box-office - I don't need to repeat it here - but let me add, as an individual, my respect for you has tripled after this conversation that we had. I was moved by your gesture. Hence, this letter.

I sincerely wish you great success in your future endeavours. And may you recreate the magic of LAGAAN in your next film.

Regards,
Taran Adarsh.


This guy is so self-involved it's ridiculous.
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Raja
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 1:55 am 
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Taran's taste in movies:

3 Deewarein *
Abhay *
Yuva *
Saathiya *½
Naach *½
Dil Chahta Hai **
Main Madhuri Dixit Banna Chahti Hoon **
Chandni Bar **½
Lakshya **½
Mission Kashmir **½
Maqbool **½
Lagaan ***

Yaadein **½
Main Prem Ki Diwani Hoon ***½
Aitraaz ***½
Chor Chori Chupke Chupke ****
Hamara Dil Aapke Paas Hai ****
L.O.C. ****
Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham ****½
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theon
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aww, the poor man is a martyr because he one of the few who has "gracefully come to terms with reality".

makes me want to write an open letter to taran ardash filled with profanity.
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chrish
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:roll: He gets gives low ranks to most of the pictures which are actually better. man must be on crack before waching movie :idea:
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Aarkayne
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Raja wrote:
Taran's taste in movies:

3 Deewarein *
Abhay *
Yuva *
Saathiya *½
Naach *½
Dil Chahta Hai **
Main Madhuri Dixit Banna Chahti Hoon **
Chandni Bar **½
Lakshya **½
Mission Kashmir **½
Maqbool **½
Lagaan ***

Yaadein **½
Main Prem Ki Diwani Hoon ***½
Aitraaz ***½
Chor Chori Chupke Chupke ****
Hamara Dil Aapke Paas Hai ****
L.O.C. ****
Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham ****½


I think it will be a worthwhile excercise in statistics to see how many films that moron adarsh rates high actually do well at the box office.....my worry is that if he's getting his ratings right even 70% of the time, then it proves there are millions of other IQ challenged people out there who are shaping the way Bollywood will be in the years to come.....

I wonder what he would have done had he lived in the era of Bimal Roy? Given a DO BIGHA ZAMEEN and SUJATA a -ve rating perhaps?

And horror of horrors, had he been a critic in the West....surely movies like SIXTH SENSE would have been denigrated the trash basket status....and what about movies like BARAN or CHILDREN OF HEAVEN? Does he even have the grasp to begin understanding decent stuff? Its only in India that he survives for inexplicable reasons too.....and moreover he forms grammatically & syntactically wrong sentences as well.....anyways I wish I had the wherewithal to conduct a denial of service attack on the servers hosting his turd, and even that would perhaps not suffice the absolute detest I feel towards Mr. Peabrain!
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rana
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Opinions differ. It's up to us to calibrate how our liking relates to a critic.

For example: Has any one seen 4 star (out of 5) rating for any of the Pokeman films. All reviews rated all Pokemon films 5 stars. That for a film that often has full screen showing just a uniform yellow circle and 2 or 3 lines. But, Kids love it and I just end up babysitting, eyes closed 10 min into the film.
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kamran
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Rita wrote:
His reviews really doesn’t give the impression of being irrational.


And so the three-and-a-half star rating for the sin against humanity that was Mein Prem Ki Diwani Hoon is rational and fair?
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kamran
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rana wrote:
Opinions differ. It's up to us to calibrate how our liking relates to a critic.


I have no problem with the fact that opinions vary and that he has his own (however flawed).

What I do take issue with is the above letter, where he paints himself to be the lone voice of reason in the world regarding film. The man is a box-office trade analyst, and he has no business giving notes to a director whose last film went on to garner rave reviews across the globe.

It's him who doesn't respect other reviews/opinions. He believes he's the only one who's right, and I find that appalling and self-involved.
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Raja
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kamran wrote:
Rita wrote:
His reviews really doesn’t give the impression of being irrational.


And so the three-and-a-half star rating for the sin against humanity that was Mein Prem Ki Diwani Hoon is rational and fair?


True. According to Taran, Masti ***½ was better than Dil Chahta Hai and Lagaan. And L.O.C. was almost twice as good as Lakshya and Mission Kashmir.
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This is ridiculous -

the following are movies I have watched

Raja wrote:
Taran's taste in movies:

3 Deewarein *
Abhay *
Yuva *
Saathiya *½
Naach *½
Dil Chahta Hai **
Main Madhuri Dixit Banna Chahti Hoon **
Chandni Bar **½
Lakshya **½
Mission Kashmir **½
Maqbool **½
Lagaan ***



and the following are movies i have not seen at all :shock: !!!

Raja wrote:
Taran's taste in movies:

Yaadein **½
Main Prem Ki Diwani Hoon ***½
Aitraaz ***½
Chor Chori Chupke Chupke ****
Hamara Dil Aapke Paas Hai ****
L.O.C. ****
Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham ****½




Perhaps I am missing all the "good" films that Bollywood churns out each year ! !
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Aarkayne
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kamran wrote:
rana wrote:
The man is a box-office trade analyst, and he has no business giving notes to a director whose last film went on to garner rave reviews across the globe.


Aha !! Exactly my point and main reason of grouse....he calls himself a trade analyst then he should provide just that, not provide a purported critique, the caliber levels of which we already know of! I would say he should learn the basics of how to do that from the column Dinesh Raheja writes for Mid-Day....and DR is actually a great critic (one of the few who really write well). DR knows he is writing a box-office analysis and simply sticks to that. TR is an eager beaver, with a confused directive in his mind(all his own making I am sure), who thinks that it is his wont to provide these verdicts on movies....in a word I find him pretty pathetic!
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Why the hell is this prick going in for the kill, just read this

Shah Rukh Khan.
The biggest star today. His films are keenly anticipated by one all. He has had an uninterrupted run at the box-office. KABHI KHUSHI KABHIE GHAM, HUM TUMHARE HAIN SANAM, DEVDAS, CHALTE CHALTE, KAL HO NAA HO, MAIN HOON NA and VEER-ZAARA have been big grossers. Seven hits in a row!

Ashutosh Gowariker.
The director of the much-acclaimed and successful LAGAAN. The film was nominated for the Academy Awards. The ultimate reward for a film-maker.

A.R. Rahman.
The music composer needs no introduction. He has carved a niche for himself on home turf as well as on foreign soil.

SRK, Gowariker and Rahman in SWADES – it can’t get bigger than that. The ultimate combo!

On face-value, SWADES should’ve taken an earth-shattering initial. The advance booking chart at practically every cinema hall should’ve shown the ‘H.F.’ [house full] status for the entire first week at least. There should’ve been a crazy scramble for its tickets. The film should’ve set opening day/weekend records at almost every centre of India.

SRK’s uninterrupted run has come to a screeching halt with SWADES. The film opened to a dismal response at several centres. The fact that Gowariker was in the director’s seat this time made no difference to the paying public.

What does one attribute the dull initial to? In the first place, the promos of the film were simply unexciting, very thanda. Around the same time, the promos of VEER-ZAARA, also starring SRK, were being aired and quite naturally, the promos of this film attracted more eyeballs.

Besides, the music of SWADES never caught on. Despite glowing reviews, the music sales weren’t too encouraging. In fact, the music company [T-Series] was expecting the music sales to show a jump after the film’s theatrical release.

The early trends of a dull start were visible when the advance booking counters opened last Monday. The management of practically every cinema hall that practices advance booking was shell-shocked when the ticket sales were alarmingly low. Even the weekend shows didn’t display the ‘H.F.’ status as the release date drew nearer.

The opening ranged from 30%-50% at several screens; at some places it was slightly better [evening/night shows], at places lower. The film had not been liked, it looked more like a documentary, the masses – who make or break a film – were dissatisfied, the film lacked in entertainment value, the songs only added to the boredom...

The only factor that went in its favour was the 4-star ratings and glowing reviews. But these reviews didn’t help in boosting the ticket sales [box-office] of this magnum opus.

Monday, the fourth day, has always been an examination for every film. It’s the trends on Monday/Tuesday that decide the fate of a film. And in the case of SWADES, the collections slided downwards at several screens.

A [small] section of the industry was hopeful that the collections would remain steady at multiplexes at least, but the collections are below expectations. And with AB TUMHARE HAWALE WATAN SATHIYO opening this week, the b.o. collections of SWADES are expected to dip further at most mass-oriented centres.


This guy's starting to piss me off, I would like to see him direct something as thought provoking as Swades, and then maybe he can comment on how to make a film. Just beacause he didn't get the film he wanted to see, doesn't mean he has the right to slag of AG & SRK.
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rana
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Aarkayne wrote:
kamran wrote:
rana wrote:
The man is a box-office trade analyst, and he has no business giving notes to a director whose last film went on to garner rave reviews across the globe.


!


I never said that. Kamran did.
LOL. :lol:
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That's when I decided that I rather face the wrath of some people than write something I didn't believe in. I'd rather speak my mind, I told myself.


just for being brave the lot of you are shitting on him hell what do i know anyway
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Rita wrote:
...don’t you guys have anything better to do? :lol:


Not... really. :?
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