Try to see reality for what it is man!

Mugambo pays too much taxes in the first place. Thats why Mugambo always votes Republican. The Democrats are now going to screw us by attempting to repeal the tax cut, but the Republicans are guilty for too much spending. By the way, you don't know how much taxes I'm paying or how old I am or what I do, but I do know you love Eurotrash commies.

If you love Europe so much, why not suck your welfare bucks there, eh? Welfare laws are MUCH more stringent in the US.

Mugambo stands by his statement that Eurotrash sucks! That comes from working with Eurotrash who are more racist than the worst redneck.

Yes, I agree Uncle supported and armed terrorists, but never again. I am sick of the Eurotrash hooligans and the constant lecturing they give us from their so called moral superiority.

Racist incidents after 9/11 were minor compared to what people from the Indian sub-continent experienced during the Iran hostage crisis days. I still say deport or shoot terrorists!


ANYWAY, HOW IS THE DVD?!!!


MUGAMBO.



Edited By mugambo on Jan. 29 2002 at 04:48

I think this whole issue of banning Maa Tujhe Salaam is stupid and wrong. Whatever happened to the concept of free speech. Why is it that anything anti Pakistan or for that matter pro India is made into an anti Muslim issue. Anwar bhai whatever you might say, but in my opinion you are wrong to come to the defense of those that oppose this movie. But more than that I think you are wrong in equating Pakistani's with Muslims. There are a lot of Muslims in India (more than any other country in the world except Indonesia) who have absolutely no problem with this film. Anyhow if you don't like it, don't watch it. A bunch of hooligans breaking the law to oppose and/or ferment trouble using the movie as an excuse is no reason to ban the film. Instead they should be penalized under the law and made an example of so that others are discouraged from doing the same. I don't recall any American films that were anti Soviet (and there are many) ever being banned in the UK. Or for that matter a film like Indiana Jones and The Temple Of Doom being banned, which had elements quite degrading to Indians and more specifically Hindus. On the other hand, I don't think Maa Tujhe Salaam has anything in it that could be even slightly construed as anti Muslim. Anti Pakistan, maybe, but definately not anti Muslim. Because if that was so, the movie would never have cleared the Indian censors to begin with. It is about time that people stopped equating Islam & Pakistan or for that matter Kashmir & Muslims. Furthermore if Pakistan wishes to do so, it is more than welcome to make it's own anti Indian films. O' wait, they have made a few in the past, have they not? So what's the difference here? The fact that people prefer to watch Indian films over the generally inferior Pakistani films.

PS: My post is in no way meant to be offensive to Islam or any Muslims (Pakistani or otherwise) and I hope that no one will try and construe it that way.
And by the way, I personally would support banning not just this film but all such films. Although that ban would be on the grounds of it being, just plain bad cinema and not personal political beliefs.



Edited By Sanjay on Jan. 29 2002 at 22:59

To a certain extent, I'm glad the film has been pulled here in the UK. I believe in freedom of speech, but hese guys are just making crap films with Sunny Deol carrying on and on against Pakistan...........how much of this is the audience supposed to take? Hopefully this might reduce the amount of stupid films made in India (cos the overseas market is quite big nowadays)

As for getting the DVD, I don't think I'll bother. It'll probably be a crap DVD as well as film.

Few films reviews;

Planet Bollywood 8/10

India FM 2 and half stars

Rediff

..BTW the pulling of MTS in UK cinemas is more to-do with film not getting passed by the BBFC (UK Censors) than some trouble makers at a cinema. The film was advertised by many cinemas and went ahead with showings despite it being illegal as it hadn’t been certified by the BBFC.

Ali

Cover for the pathetic -> Maa Tujhe Salaam

By the way guys, this is for anyone who might be considering buying this crap of a movie, Sunny Deol only has a special appearance in the film. He has only a small role in the film and is not in the leading role. The producers are obviously just trying to fool people by making it seem as if Suny is the main lead in the film to promote their crap.

Am I the only one sick and tired of this 'hollow' patriotism crap? Guess not, since the film supposedly has taken a record opening in most of North India. But then again, that should have been expected since most bad movies do well here in the North of India while most good films fare poorly.



Edited By Sanjay on Jan. 30 2002 at 12:17

I agree with you on supporting anything that would discourage such crap from being made, including banning such bad films. But I don't think that this film is targeted at the overseas market and therefore it's collections overseas, good or bad, will have any effect on such films being made in the future. This film, like most Sunny Deol films of this genre, is targeted at the small town and interiors market in India, specially in the Northern belt. In these markets such films generally do very well and actually good films fare very poorly. Even a film like Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham, supposedly a film targeted at the masses has not done so well in these markets. Whereas trashy films like 'Indian, Maa Tujhe Salaam, Champion etc' all have done well there.



Edited By Sanjay on Jan. 29 2002 at 23:36

like ali has mentioned... the movie was pulled because of certificating problems... and as for the problem of some cinemas pulling it from the cinema because of trouble caused during a screening of the movie... this really did happen in the UCI trafford centre... !! even though i am a paki i dont mind certain paki bashing movies i.e. Desh Premee but truthfully the ones coming out recently, Border, Maa Tujhe Salam, Gadar and Hindustani ki Kasam have had some of the worst storylines ever and have pathetic technical values... and are really a bullshit movie to watch... as for the problem with patriotic movies... the movies can say wat they want, even though it does piss me off. doesnt get to me anymore...!! i have my beliefs on the situations and the indian public have there own.......... so be it... i just dont watch the pile of shit!!

i still believe for the simple reasons that we in England if not yankeeland have to live alongside each other in every day life and such films are just not nessecary as they cause anger and hurt amongst many.....anway im not from pakistan and neither are my parents ...so the question of me being biased dosent even come in to it.....im purely speakin from popular opinion of friend family and customers....by the way there was trouble during Border in Leeds and there was trouble at trafford centre.....Worse still i think its the illeterate people who the government cant give a shit for who are being brainwashed in having anti-pakistan sentiments,

Mugambo is pissed off at this thread. People are coming out and saying, "Oh we don't want to upset these poor unemployed youths..." When in fact these guys are hooligans and thugs. You guys in the United Queendom (UQ) should wake up and stop supporting terrorists! The UQ has already been proven as fertile recruting ground for the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. We got three or four limeys locked up in camp X-ray and I hope they get the sh!t beat out of 'em every day.

I AM GOING TO GO OUT AND BUY MTS right away - no matter how bad it is!

Mugambo kush nai hai!

Although I wholeheartedly agree with you on 'Maa Tujhe Salaam & Hindustan Ki Kasam' being absolutely trash films (you could add 'Indian' to the list), I totally disagree on Border and Gadar being so. Gadar inspite of its atrocious climax, was a good story pretty well executed. As for Border not having a good storyline, might I remind you that it is based on Historical facts and was in my opinion a pretty well made and one of the better war film.

That is a mature thought, one that we should all follow I think. I do have one question though, if you don't watch these films, then how can you comment on their storyline or for that matter their technical values? Of the movies that you have mentioned, atleast Border was technically a very polished film.

Hmmm and I though you just said that you were not prejudiced. The actual fact of the matter is that it is the Pakistani government that has been brainwashing it's people into anti-Indian sentiments. What is worse, that they end making it into a relegious issue which is so hypocritical, considering the number of Indian Muslims far outnumbers the total population of Pakistan. As a matter of fact, there are more Muslims in India than the entire arab world put together. Quite frankly being an Indian myself who lives in India, I don't recall anything the Indian govt. has ever done to brainwash me.
I could go and on on this issue but I'll stop before this becomes a political and ideological debate, something that would be out of place in a forum dedicated to Indian films and their DVDs.

Arre yaar Mugambo, I agree with you that such people are no more than ordinary hooligans and goondas and who ought to be treated as such. But yaar why promote such bad films by buying it's DVD or for that matter watching it in the theaters. A bad film is a BAD FILM irrespective of it's theme.

if u a have a girlfriend that is addicted to indian films and wants to watch every other pile of shit then u just ahve to watch it and nuthin can be done about it!! I watched Border because of all the hooo haaa back then... Even though it is an ok-ish movie in the technical aspects it still is pathetic... its probably me i hate war movies!! As for Gadar... this is proper shit... honest u have to agree with me!! its bullshit.. the movie was lifted directly from Shaheed-E-Mohabbat which was an excellent movie and really was great in the technical aspects!! if gadar was more like this rather than an excuse to take the piss out of pakistan and have sunny raise his voice all the time then it wudve been good.... Im sick of sunnys desh-lover roles... they are so predictable and pathetic!!