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Shahran Sunny Audit
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Well with all these bloody remakes being released or made I have started to get really pissed at Hindi filmmakers for becoming absent when it come to their own creativity.

It is known that recent film business in Tamil cinema has increased over 80% in the last three years whereas Hindi cinema has fallen (except for overseas) dramatically. An example can be seen in the superhit film Run that ran for over 100 days and made more money then the average grosser Shakti, which had a good cast and better production values. Interestingly Shakti was also a remake that many critics felt was weaker then the original version!

So why does Hindi cinema want to copy Tamil cinema? Not for the story as screenplay in Tamil movies hasn't really made an impact for the past two/three years with exception to few films like the teen drug/sex film Thullamio Ellamai, the controversial Mani Ratnam film Kanathil Muthamittal, and small independent movies like Kasi and Naandha. In fact Malayalam cinema should take credit for being the most creative on Indian celluloid. Only then do I place Tamil, Bengal and Singhalese (Sri-Lankan) cinema after it.

From my discussions with Hindi producers they have pointed out to me that they solely believe that if they copy exactly the same screenplay then they can get just as much success at the box office. But I feel they are missing out on a vital point…. the film audiences. Tamil cinema audiences are very different to Hindi cinema audience. Both have differences expectations and tastes in the way the film is presented. So for one film to work across two different audiences is quite impossible, even if the theme is universally, this can be due to prejudices but most importantly the language barrier.

How do we solve this? Well the Tamil culture is not completely understood by north Indians, since information on it is scarce. Ironically many South Indians understand North Indian cultures and some languages primarily through the mainstream media. Bhangra music is massive in Tamil Naidu, yet Tamil R’n’B tracks are non-existent in Punjab. Hindi cinema still manages to make a small impact in south India seen in recent examples of the success of Kaante doing quite well in Tamil Naidu (the taking was even better then Maharastra region!).

When they try to adapt the a Tamil screenplay into a north Indian culture they change locations, religion, ideology, add more songs, and would remove some portions of the screenplay. My question is why? Isn’t Tamil culture part of the overall Indian culture? Why do they want to see a Punjabi landscape instead of a Tamil Naidu one? Take Alay Payuthey as an example. The film was a story that dealt of the themes on Indian marriages. So why adapt the original to a North Indian background. Why not remake Saathiya in south India, or release the original Tamil version with Hindi or English subtitles?

If the answer is people don’t want to see south India or anything about Tamilians then why not? If Indian cinema would involve south Indian cinema more into its mainstream culture then perhaps the divide between the two would lessen and they would be no need of remakes.

It is absorbing to point out that many Hindi filmmakers are exclusively in the business for fame and fortune from Tamil cinema. Many producers solely just remake Tamil films like Vashu Bhagnani and Boney Kapoor and have proven to be successful. The formula has even proven to work in the form of big hits like Virasat, Judaai & Sanjan Chale Saasural. But then there are repercussions the recent ones being RHTDM & Nayak.

Another reason for Hindi cinema to copy is because Tamil cinema is open to some forms of experimentation and when it becomes successful then Hindi cinema copies from it, thus ensuring their high budget is more safely spent. Be it a film like Sethu (Tere Naam), Dhil (Dum), Kasi, Run, Dhool, and even Alay Pauthey (Saathiya). These are all experimental films that told an old Indian tale within a fresh narrative structure.

Bharat Shah did try to experiment with Hindi cinema by helping with the finances of films like Dil Se, and Hey Ram using a Tamil technical crew. But they failed only making only a decent box-office return with Tamil and overseas audiences.

Don’t get me wrong I love Hindi cinema as they have produce some of the best work when they truly are creative. Films by Bimal Roy, Guru Dutt, H. Mukerjee, Yash Chopra, Ramesh Sippy and many more all have make Indian cinema a wonderful source of worldwide entertainment, Its just a shame that present Hindi producers and directors are too lazy to be the same. Only a handful is fully prepared to be creative like Mira Nair, Aditya Chopra, Vinod Chopra, Suraj Barjaitya, Farhan Aktar etc…

My point is that I am tried of having to watch the Tamil films then having to watch the same films again when they released in Hindi in a mostly weaker and poorer version. Its about time the world and avarage Hindi cinema audiences recognises Tamil cinema.

- written by Shahran Sunny Audit

Sources: Kaalam Express, Screen International, Bombay Trades and BFI's South Indian wonders Essay
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I'd like to point out that in the case of Saathiya, it was Maniratnam's own decision to remake the film Hindi - its the artist's own prerogative. As for all the other re-makes - by far and large, they are bad and unimportant films which no one takes seriously. I suggest you don't either. You can't stop people from finding avenues to earn money. If you are looking for art, filter out the bad stuff and only look at the good. The south has more than its fair share of bad films too - and some horrendous re-makes too at that. The only reason why major Hindi films don't get re-made in the south is because everyone's probably already seen the Hindi version - it doesn't apply vice versa. I look forward to a day when Tamil (or other south) films come up with as much international appeal as Lagaan, Devdas, Monsoon Wedding or even Asoka and K3G.
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I'd like to point out that in the case of Saathiya, it was Maniratnam's own decision to remake the film Hindi - its the artist's own prerogative.


Saathiya was intially planned as a Hindi and Tamil version filmed at the same time but the failiure of Dil Se...put Mani Ratnam off Hindi cinema. His assistant S.Ali asked if he could take over the Hindi project but Ratnam's brother who was financing the film didn't want that gamble. When Yash Chopra heard about this he wanted to co-produce but by then the Tamil version had been compleated. Mani Ratnam realising he needed finance for his film production Five Star decided to go ahead and lend the screenplay & soundtrack rights to his assitant.

What I was complaining about with this film was that the film didn't have to be re-made as the orignal version was a great movie. Yash Chopra could have paid to subtitle the film and release it in North India, but they didn't. Instead they chose to make the film set in North India? Why? This line between both North and South should end. We should view all Indian films as one large industry instead of many serveral.

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As for all the other re-makes - by far and large, they are bad and unimportant films which no one takes seriously. I suggest you don't either


Yes I understand this point but the issue here is not on the quality of remakes the issue here is the actuallity of remakes themselves. Why do it in the first place? Was there a need to remake Devdas when the orignal was still in its prime despite being over 50 years old? Now with the sucess of Devdas (new) there are talks of remaking Mughal-E-Azam, and Sahib Bibi Aur Ghulam. I can even see Big B films Don and even Sholay being in talks for remakes too not in the distant future. This will drive Hindi cinema into a new area that will limit its scope in producing creative work as it will be always about money.

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You can't stop people from finding avenues to earn money.


Film-making shouldn't about making money its about creativity. Those in it for the money are in the wrong business as only a handful of films just recover thier costs. If they want to make fast bucks in films then I would recommend either hollywood or porn cinema.

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If you are looking for art, filter out the bad stuff and only look at the good. The south has more than its fair share of bad films too - and some horrendous re-makes too at that.


I consder all movies to be art and like with all art good comes with the bad. Yes South Indian films do have some of the worst movies around. Films like Partale Paravasam and many MGR films are examples. Remakes too are bad, some of Mithun movies like Hitler and Shapath were remakes of already awful Tamil movies. But the quality of the remakes isn't the issue only the actuallity of remakes. Why do them? What is wrong with Dubbing or Subtitling. Dubbing is a proven sucess if the film itself is well made. Example of Roja, Bombay, Dalpathi, Nayakan and Humse Hain Muqabala have shown that dubbing can work for those who don't want to watch the films in Tamil or with Subtitles. Even the recent Hindi subtitling of Kandukodian Kandukodian got a good response in India, according to its world wide rights owner Ayngaran.

Personally I prefer subtitles.

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The only reason why major Hindi films don't get re-made in the south is because everyone's probably already seen the Hindi version - it doesn't apply vice versa


Yes as I pointed out in my Essay people in South India can understand Hindi films due to it becoming India's mainstrem language for films and media. But why isn't the same for North Indians to accept South Indian films in the same manner? Possibly due to the limitations of language etc...

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.. I look forward to a day when Tamil (or other south) films come up with as much international appeal as Lagaan, Devdas, Monsoon Wedding or even Asoka and K3G.


Many south Indian films do have internaitonal appeal, but because of North Indians not recognising them fully they go unseen. The example of Devdas being voted over Kanathil Muthamittal is an example. I'm sure if many saw these two films together and had to make a choice which of these films should go to the oscar for India's entry they would chose the Mani Ratnam film. Why it wasn't nominated is the $1,000,000 question that many are asking.

Below are just a handful of Tamil films that that have international appeal; The Terrorist, Halo, Anjali, Bombay, Naanda, Kasi, Sethu, Azhagi, Kanathil Mutamittal, Sangaman, Hey Ram, Iruvar...and the list goes on.

I recommend you watch Halo if you thought Askoka was a film with "international appeal" even though the international cut was a colosaal flop. Halo is Santosh Sivan best work yet only a handful of people have seen it and no one hold rights for it.
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Yash Chopra could have paid to subtitle the film and release it in North India, but they didn't. Instead they chose to make the film set in North India? Why?


Surely if the film was subtitled, then it would have been restricted to a certain audience - not all Hindi moviegoers will watch movies with subtitles, and many people can't read English/Hindi fluently - hence reducing the udnerstanding of the movie. AS for remaking the movie set in North India, why not? Alaipayuthey had a story that could take place anywhere in the world. The north Indian setting is one of the more familiar ones, so they decided to make it there. I don't really think anything about the story was typically Tamil, but I haven't seen Saathiya yet, so I can't really comment.

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Yes I understand this point but the issue here is not on the quality of remakes the issue here is the actuallity of remakes themselves. Why do it in the first place?


I personally think that there is nothing wrong with remakes - as long as they are done well. However, I do not mean that every Hindi movie should be remade. There should be original ideas coming through, but I don't see anything wrong with remakes either. As for the example of Devdas, I think it was ok of them to remake it - after all, younger people aren't really likely to watch a 50 year old film in black and white, regardless of how good it is. I do think that SLB's version was quite bad though, paying more attention to glossy sets and costumes rather than the basic storyline.

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Example of Roja, Bombay, Dalpathi, Nayakan and Humse Hain Muqabala have shown that dubbing can work for those who don't want to watch the films in Tamil or with Subtitles


I don't really know if all these movies were successful (I only know about the success of Roja, Bombay and Humse Hain Muqabala) due to the actual movie itself. I think the music had a very large part to play in it - I know this for a fact with Humse Hain Muqabala - I was in India at the time of it's release, and the main reason people went to see the movie was because of the songs and picturisation.

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The example of Devdas being voted over Kanathil Muthamittal is an example. I'm sure if many saw these two films together and had to make a choice which of these films should go to the oscar for India's entry they would chose the Mani Ratnam film.


I agree totally that Kannathil Muthamittal was a better movie. But if the producers want to have such recognition, then they should try to publicise their movies more aggressively. you've said that subtitling worked for Kandukondain Kandukondain - why wasn't this movie released with subtitles around India? You can't expect people in various different states around the country to go and dig out South indian movies. These films are available here in the UK- and to be honest, the only reason I know anything about Tamil movies is because of the publicity you have given them on Zulm - but in India, everyone has their own regional cinema. There are now plenty of good Bengali directors - Buddhadeb Dasgupta, Goutam Ghose, Rituporno Ghosh, Tarun Majumdar - but a lot of these films go unnoticed because they are released only in Bengal. I'm sure the same is true for other states. Rather than worrying about the North South divide when it comes to movies, the distributors should start to show good movies from all states all around India, and internationally.

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I recommend you watch Halo if you thought Askoka was a film with "international appeal" even though the international cut was a colosaal flop. Halo is Santosh Sivan best work yet only a handful of people have seen it and no one hold rights for it.


I have seen a Hindi version of Halo (it was made in Hindi, not dubbed), and I liked the movie - but it was a children's film, hence again with limited appeal. However, I do remember hearing that Halo was quite successful (the Hindi version, dunno about the Tamil).

Overall, regarding the remaking - it's not a new phenomenon. If you go back to the 60s, 70s, and 80s major Hindi movies such as Padosan, Khamoshi, Bawarchi, Kora Kagaz, Chupke Chupke and Saaheb were all remakes of Bengali movies. In your own words Sunny, you've begun to get pissed because of the remakes - why weren't you pissed before?



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Shahran Sunny Audit wrote:
Film-making shouldn't about making money its about creativity. Those in it for the money are in the wrong business as only a handful of films just recover thier costs. If they want to make fast bucks in films then I would recommend either hollywood or porn cinema.

Film making all over the world is primarily about money.
Film is too expensive to not worry about the money. The
recent DV cam approach will not change this. Amateurish
looking films have no future since they do not appeal to
many people. Film will always be a compromise between
art and business.
Hollywood is not different concerning the money. Most films
are losses or barely breaking even. The few hits finance
the rest.
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What I was complaining about with this film was that the film didn't have to be re-made as the orignal version was a great movie. Yash Chopra could have paid to subtitle the film and release it in North India, but they didn't. Instead they chose to make the film set in North India? Why? This line between both North and South should end. We should view all Indian films as one large industry instead of many serveral.



Most Tamils films have north Indian based actresses or models that really piss me off...why can't Tamil actresses act in this films?? Most of this Hindi actresses don't even know their Idli from their Sambar let alone know the Tamil language...Personally I will not pay good money to see a south hero romancing a Hindi actress...call it biased but I can't imagine an ugly guy prancing around and get a beautiful actress unless of course if its justified. :D I'm sorry but it bothers me just the way Jaya Prada acts in Hindi films. I don't know if it is the accent or flowers in the hair. I mean I want feel good entertainment that Hindi films provide and not cringe all the time.


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Many south Indian films do have internaitonal appeal, but because of North Indians not recognising them fully they go unseen. The example of Devdas being voted over Kanathil Muthamittal is an example. I'm sure if many saw these two films together and had to make a choice which of these films should go to the oscar for India's entry they would chose the Mani Ratnam film. Why it wasn't nominated is the $1,000,000 question that many are asking.


Sunny Audit...why bother? If the south Indian industry is good then let them prove themselves? And anyway why must they prove this to the north indian audience...or do I sense a little low self esteem on your part? Anyway for your info the south Indian industry panel of judges always chose earlier to sent Tamil films...shankar's films like Indian and Jeans...I mean the punjabi film shaheed-e-mohabbat deserved more an Oscar entry than Jeans..and anyway ironically when after many years a Hindi film was finally sent to the Oscars...it got nominated. But too bad this time round Kanathil Muthamittal did not make and I know very well that Maniratnam is a great film maker.

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Film-making shouldn't about making money its about creativity. Those in it for the money are in the wrong business as only a handful of films just recover thier costs. If they want to make fast bucks in films then I would recommend either hollywood or porn cinema.


That's where you are wrong and don't go for the biased reports of Taran Adarsh. Most Hindi films recover their cost within the first few weeks. In fact some are already "hits" before they are released because the producers sell the TV and video rights. End of the day, it is all about the money. In a perfect world creativity should be the prime reason for making films but not in India.

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I consder all movies to be art and like with all art good comes with the bad. Yes South Indian films do have some of the worst movies around. Films like Partale Paravasam and many MGR films are examples. Remakes too are bad, some of Mithun movies like Hitler and Shapath were remakes of already awful Tamil movies. But the quality of the remakes isn't the issue only the actuallity of remakes. Why do them? What is wrong with Dubbing or Subtitling. Dubbing is a proven sucess if the film itself is well made. Example of Roja, Bombay, Dalpathi, Nayakan and Humse Hain Muqabala have shown that dubbing can work for those who don't want to watch the films in Tamil or with Subtitles. Even the recent Hindi subtitling of Kandukodian Kandukodian got a good response in India, according to its world wide rights owner Ayngaran.


I don't know about the rest on zulm but I can't sit through a dubbed movie..subtitled yes but dubbed no way.



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I recommend you watch Halo if you thought Askoka was a film with "international appeal" even though the international cut was a colosaal flop. Halo is Santosh Sivan best work yet only a handful of people have seen it and no one hold rights for it.


I have seen Halo about a dozen times on Zee tv..I think most Indians have seen. Anyway I think it is alright but Asoka is better in cinematography and editing. Halo cinematography is a little too glossy but anyway it was children's film so that works in it's favour.


P.S I might seem politically incorect but that's how I feel
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Their is a large difference between Tamil and Hindi films. The Tamil films are much more creative, better quality, and screenplay/cinematography is much better. The crews down South work much more disciplined, and get work faster. The first half of Kandukondein Kandukondein was completed in about 10 days!

Hindi films always are love stories, exaggerate with too many sub plots and unecessary comedy. They aren't too creative, and they always take 8 months-2 years to complete a film because of shifts and schedules, which is why many films look stale. The films end up too long, and many times lose interest in the second half.

I've only seen Kandukondein Kandukondein, but when I visit England, I watch the Tamil channel, and the song picturisations are much more creative, visual, appealing to the eye, lively, vibrant, and the films seem more real. People always remind me of how good they are.

Anytime I hear something about a Tamil film, the film is always a hit!

This is because the Hindi film stars charge too much, and the directors always go over budget (YHJ was filmed in Scotland, England, and Australia, was that necessary?) and there are too many releases. Directors always make three films at a time, and it's killing Bollywood.

I remember how a film like Asoka, which was a flop, had a good run in Mumbai for about 3 months. Nowadays, too many film releases, and some films are drawn out of cinema's after 3 weeks and stop making money after the 3 weeks. It's sad.

The content and release timing of Tamil films is MUCH better, and they will always make profit in their films. I'm an addicted Hindi film viewer, and from today, the people in Bollywood need to take advise from people in the Tamil film industry.
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Dubbing is a horrible practice, IMO. The fact is that even though it is all one India, the different industries have their own aesthetics, though they share many qualities. Therefore, the makers of the remake will have to change some aspects of the original according to the preferences of the target audience. I don't know whether Indian audiences will watch a subtitled film, but the original films should be made available in that form, just so people can see it.

India has always had remakes. K. Balachander's Tamil film "Arangetram" was remade into an inferior Hindi version in the 70s. The Telugu film "Mooga Manasulu" was remade into "Milan" (maybe vice versa). "Ek Duuje Ke Liye" was originally a south Indian (Telugu or Kannada) film. Many old Tamil films are remakes of Telugu films. There are even south Indian versions of Devdas. So this exchange of ideas has always been going on. However, it has been a while since we've seen so many Tamil-to-Hindi remakes and announcements of these remakes, and this is not a good way to start the new year. We can expect several English-to-Hindi remakes as well.

As for South Indian films being better, I don't know. I've read reviews of "Virumbugiren" that say it is a slow moving film and that "Bhagavathi" is just more of the same from actor Vijay. Jeeva, Santosh Sivan, and P.C. Sriram definitely are top-flight cinematographers. But there must be many Tamil movies that are poorly shot, no?

What about the south Indian heroines going to Hindi cinema? Rehka, Sridevi, Vyjantimala, who else? Aishwarya Rai and Tabu are from the south. There are a lot of north Indian actresses and models in Tamil and Telugu cinema, true, but many times it is because the actor found the picture interesting, as with Nandita Das an Kannathil Muthamittal. It is quite annoying when their Tamil is horrible or someone else dubs their voice over. But it is a general problem in Tamil cinema that females are dubbed with annoyingly high voices.

Hindi producers have to look at each film's content, not its box office. The remake of Run must have good actors, good music, good fight scenes, and a director who can infuse freshness into a tired story. Otherwise it will just be another cheesy dishum-dishum love story.

Sunny, any word on whether a Hindi version of Gemini is in the pipeline?

Hopefully this remake epidemic will cause people to seek out the original Tamil films on DVD, giving Ayngaran a boost in sales so they can get some brand new equipment!
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Why didn't you bring up the topic of Tamil films being remakes of Hindi films. I recall Rajnikant starring in remakes of Hindi hits like Qurbani, so the exchange must be going both ways. Also don't forget, hits from other southern provinces are being remade in Tamil as well. But you are right about southern films being more experimental with themes....that's why I'm watching Tamil films these days. Thank goodness for subtitles.

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The exchange does go both ways, but I can't recall when there was a huge influx of Hindi->Tamil remakes at one time, like there are with Tamil->Hindi remakes right now. Bludhound, do you know the name of the remake of Qurbani?
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Their is a large difference between Tamil and Hindi films. The Tamil films are much more creative, better quality, and screenplay/cinematography is much better. The crews down South work much more disciplined, and get work faster. The first half of Kandukondein Kandukondein was completed in about 10 days!

Hindi films always are love stories, exaggerate with too many sub plots and unecessary comedy. They aren't too creative, and they always take 8 months-2 years to complete a film because of shifts and schedules, which is why many films look stale. The films end up too long, and many times lose interest in the second half.

I've only seen Kandukondein Kandukondein, but when I visit England, I watch the Tamil channel, and the song picturisations are much more creative, visual, appealing to the eye, lively, vibrant, and the films seem more real. People always remind me of how good they are.

Anytime I hear something about a Tamil film, the film is always a hit!

This is because the Hindi film stars charge too much, and the directors always go over budget (YHJ was filmed in Scotland, England, and Australia, was that necessary?) and there are too many releases. Directors always make three films at a time, and it's killing Bollywood.

I remember how a film like Asoka, which was a flop, had a good run in Mumbai for about 3 months. Nowadays, too many film releases, and some films are drawn out of cinema's after 3 weeks and stop making money after the 3 weeks. It's sad.

The content and release timing of Tamil films is MUCH better, and they will always make profit in their films. I'm an addicted Hindi film viewer, and from today, the people in Bollywood need to take advise from people in the Tamil film industry.

Hahaha..sweeping statements of the year! Come on Hindi films are not so bad.

I have much more access to Tamil films than most of you since I live in Singapore. Believe me Tamil films are not as great as made out to be. Anyway why is it that Hindi films are in such a sorry state and that too after copying and remaking Tamil films. Now don't tell me that Hindi films that are copied from Tamil are still bad.
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Because of the recent backlash at Hindi cinema, not singling out this one, I want to point out that an overwhelming majority of quality Hindi films in recent years (I know that's subjective) has been original.

Lagaan, Mission Kashmir, DCH, Company, Aankhen, Satya, Shool, Kaun, Asoka, Fiza (first half), Zubeidaa, etc.

And an overwhelming majority of remakes have been bad (I won't bother listing them)

Besides the few exceptions, Hindi filmmakers should take note of this fact.
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Why do people think Aankhen is original? I think people have mentioned here before that Aankhen is a copy of the 1978 film called Blind Rage. Taken from IMDB:

"With no production values whatsoever, and a plot that sounds like the start of a bad joke, this absurd thriller has to be one of the dumbest flicks of the 70s, the "Dumb Decade"! I mean, come on: Five guys rob a bank? Never happen! We spend a good third of the film watching painfully as our culturally diverse gaggle of vision-impaired desperadoes trip over each other in myriad practice runs in a mock-up bank, while a cute Asian "trainer" says, "Very good, very good!" a lot. Whew! The dub job is hilariously stilted. Poor Leo Fong; he could have been another Jackie Chan, or at least another Sonny Chiba, but not with flicks like these! Just to slap you awake, Special Agent Jesse Crowder (the amazing Fred Williamson) pops up in the last ten minutes, replete with trademark open shirt and skinny cigar, to squash the silliest caper of all time. This is absolute rock-bottom gold."

Hmm, blind guys robbing a bank, rehersing in a mock-up bank with a female trainer? Doesn't that sound awfully familiar to Aankhen?

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["With no production values whatsoever, and a plot that sounds like the start of a bad joke, this absurd thriller has to be one of the dumbest flicks of the 70s, ]

I agree!! will repeat again, AANKHEN seemed like BACHON KA KHEL!! period!! aside PARESH RAWAL acting!
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MalFUnXiON wrote:
Because of the recent backlash at Hindi cinema, not singling out this one, I want to point out that an overwhelming majority of quality Hindi films in recent years (I know that's subjective) has been original.

Lagaan, Mission Kashmir, DCH, Company, Aankhen, Satya, Shool, Kaun, Asoka, Fiza (first half), Zubeidaa, etc.

KAUN can hardly be called original writing....it was based on ITTEFAQ (Yash Chopra - Rajesh Khanna, Nanda) which in itself was based on a successful Gujrati play running at the time which was based on another English play....Though KAUN's end was changed a wee bit to adhere to Verma's whimsical idea of a mentally disturbed person and Matondkar's absurd interpretation of the same, it still remains unoriginal !!
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