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ali
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2002 11:53 pm 
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Subtitled DVD;

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This is the Super Digital DVD that is without the subtitles but is progressively mastered - and one that probably shows how progressive transfer can show more detail and sharpness with less artefacts - compare the close up Anil's face around the specs. Progressive DVD show less aliasing problems than the interlaced DVD. Also the first screen shot (group shot of Anil, Juhi, Johnny) shows much better sharpness than the interlaced version (top);

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.. again thanks to Arsh for screen shots from both DVDs of Deewana Mastana :thumbs:

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Thnx ali, for POSTING them..Just a clarification..the sHOT in INTERLACED version(juhi, johny, anil) was taken in FORCEWEAVE, purposedly to show some cOMBING!!
But I agree with DETAIL, issue!! :baaa:
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just compare the shots of Anil Kapoor
look at the frame of his glasses, see the difference b/n the 2
to me it is clear which is better
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dvd_pankhaa wrote:
just compare the shots of Anil Kapoor
look at the frame of his glasses, see the difference b/n the 2
to me it is clear which is better

This comparison proves it; Progressive is better even if lower bit rate.

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Once again... Thanks to Arsh sahab !! Got the »Superdigital Version of this DVD today :) Jeeye Zulm.net !

Still the same question persists... anyone has access to the Yes Boss Superdigital Vresion ?.. Pls. e-mail me !
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The DVD, like previous SD releases, is single layered and heavily cropped from the sides. You get a stretched effect also (as can be seen from the screenshots)..

Bit-rate varies from 2.5-3.5 Mbps continuosly except for the songs.. for which a higher bit-rate has been used for encoding..

Audio is DD 2.0 Ch
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arsh wrote:
Thnx ali, for POSTING them..Just a clarification..the sHOT in INTERLACED version(juhi, johny, anil) was taken in FORCEWEAVE, purposedly to show some cOMBING!!
But I agree with DETAIL, issue!! :baaa:

I would state that this is a pseudo-progressive version ... They must have taken the master authored by SD, reprocessed it and put subtitles and screwed it up in the process (just like the Aaradhana EVP dvd )
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sknath, are you saying that Original Video Sound DVD is actually copied from, now considered Pirate, Super Digital DVD??
Begs the question who is Pirate??

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Indeed!! thats what it looked like happened in DM case!

Still, even Pseudo Prog, with Sub titles, does have very pleasing PQ!! due to very high bit rate used!!

But when u have Orig GENUINE stuff handy(by luck) then u start seeing disadvantages of Pseudo prog rightaway, on comparison!!One obvious here are Jaggies, on edges, as indicated on shots with Anil's Glasses fframe!!

Kon banega PIRATE here!! AAP khud faisla karlaen!!Apun ko tou ab exact definition bhool gaey hai!!!hmm!!

IMHO< chepo replicates with bleeding colors, cheaper rotten media, even being exact replicas are QUALIFY as PIRATED DISCS!
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arsh wrote:
Indeed!! thats what it looked like happened in DM case!

Still, even Pseudo Prog, with Sub titles, does have very pleasing PQ!! due to very high bit rate used!!

But when u have Orig GENUINE stuff handy(by luck) then u start seeing disadvantages of Pseudo prog rightaway, on comparison!!One obvious here are Jaggies, on edges, as indicated on shots with Anil's Glasses fframe!!

Kon banega PIRATE here!! AAP khud faisla karlaen!!Apun ko tou ab exact definition bhool gaey hai!!!hmm!!

IMHO< chepo replicates with bleeding colors, cheaper rotten media, even being exact replicas are QUALIFY as PIRATED DISCS!

Arsh Ji

I give you 2 Bucks.... So you have 2 Bucks

Now you give your Friend 90% of 2 Bucks that is $1.80.
Which is still less than 2 Bucks

Your arguement holds good if VS actually encoded the DVd from the original film. All they did (Dot Media in this case) was take the master created by Superdigital, and re-encoded it (thats why u get a "high-bit-rate"), which is useless as the original master was encoded at a bit-rate of 2-3 Mbps only !
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rana wrote:
dvd_pankhaa wrote:
just compare the shots of Anil Kapoor
look at the frame of his glasses, see the difference b/n the 2
to me it is clear which is better

This comparison proves it; Progressive is better even if lower bit rate.

Rana

Not necessarily. Only if the compression artifacts are not annoying. But if there aren't many compression artifacts, it is possible that higher frequency details were lopped off to facilitate compression at a lower bitrate. Does anyone know if there is some machine or some software through which a piece of video can be run to tell where the cutoff is for high frequency details?
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arsh wrote:
But when u have Orig GENUINE stuff handy(by luck) then u start seeing disadvantages of Pseudo prog rightaway, on comparison!!One obvious here are Jaggies, on edges, as indicated on shots with Anil's Glasses fframe!!

Kon banega PIRATE here!! AAP khud faisla karlaen!!Apun ko tou ab exact definition bhool gaey hai!!!hmm!!

DEEWANA MASTANA:
I would classify VS DVD as Legal Copy (Copied) and Super Digital DVD as Illegal Original. The only problem is VS sells their DVD as Legal as well as Original that it is not.
If someone sells something as original and it really is not, then isn't it Piracy??

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I would differ on ur point of illegality rana ji!!

If I own a dvd of SD before VS got involved! it does not mean I own an illegal copy imho!So, If any retailers, continue to carry their old stock, luckily occasional with GOLD MEDIA, I wont call them doing illegal buisness!!

But!? if ANY ONE, retailor or distributor start REPLICATING enmass that version, and put it in the market on GOLD or silver media? without VS's blessings..then I'll apply terms of ILLEGAL here!! Even if SD does it, they are liable!for this illegality as they r not right holders any more!

Just a different route, scenerio!!

If we would be able to find it ILLEGAL/GENUINE version, we could have been able to get one for every one and at CHEAP prices too, simillar to DEI/EROS titles!!
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I have a point to make here .

Last night I ripped the SD version of DM onto my friend's computer's HDD. Now i played the VOB files using powerdvd and i get an avg bit-rate info of abt 5.5-6.0 Mbps !
Now the same film when played directly from the DVD rom (or from a SONY dvd PLAyer) gave us avg bit-rates of 2.5-3.5 Mbps.

Can someone explain why this anomoly occurs ?
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