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sknath wrote:
Hey Dragun, fully agree with you. And as Ali has stated above it "most" likely is from a film source but which has not been properly flagged. (This is tantamount to bad encoding procedure)... As such compression artifacts doesnt arise. They can become a factor if a very low bit rate is used for encoding.
Also notice the fact that HDDCS was also a 3 hr long movie but it was neatly fit onto 1 DVD effortlessly by DEI....

Sknath, do you have another website that explains the proper flagging of video? I'm not really sure what is supposed to be flagged concerning 2:3 pulldown and film sources.

And if a 2:3 pulldown is improperly done on a DVD, does that mean that if the fields are recombined to try to recreate the original frame, a field from one frame and a field from another frame will be blended together?


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GUYS!! whatever, misflagged or what!! Shakti was not that GOOd either, DEVDAS is the same!!

If u have handy, CHECK out EROS..PUKAR, PBDHH..INTERLACED. and BAADSHAH(PROG).

There is a DIFF whatsoever, I can check, TAAL and comment on that comparison too!!

MAHA MURAKH, jo EROS se QUALITY DVD at the level of ASOKA/HDDCS etc, expects!!

Thats what LULLA will give u, UNLESS 3-6 months from no we see another 3 DISC version, EVEN worse!! LIKE HAHK!!

So, as I said, TAKE it or LEAVE it! This is an AVERAGE GARDEN VARIETY EROS..MAHA PRESENTATION....
BUT Shame this film had to go SUCK LULLA too!! :baaa: :stupid: :bangbang: :ffs: :angry:


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Devdas dvd is just like the other junk the Eros have released over the years. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out. We all saw that coming...(ok, some of us didn't!!!) Instead of flattering yourselves, e-mail Eros and tell 'em about the junk of a dvd u got.
And yes, that menu is disgusting.... :oo: urggggh! Total dvd is a piece of bs.


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Ali I agree with ur reasoning that this is "on-par" with other releases from EROS, lately. But There is still a subtle difference between them and Devdas, and that being, this film got a proper release here in North America and is also being showcased in a major retail outlet here in North America (BlockBuster)...
This DVD , thus, needed a special treatment.... Hell I remember yoru reviews abt DDLJ which Yashrak had released. In retrospect I will say that DDLJ is way ahead of this Crappy Devdas DVD.

Just to add to this, I think the fact that Eros deems this film to be worthy of a higher retail price for it's DVD would be a good enough reason for Eros to have delivered a better than average DVD.

Another thing, more than DEI/Eros/Video Sound/WEG etc, you know what pisses me off the most? It is the attitude of most Indian DVD customers to accept this pathetic state of affairs. And even more aggravating is, that of these people actually continue to make excuses for these lame companies and their poor DVDs. The whole situation with Indian DVDs is no less than, blatant exploitation of the monoplostic nature of this business. Legitimate paying customers are being ripped off and cheated almost to the point of it being illegal. Something I am sure that could be atleast brought up with the 'Better business bureau' if not prosecuted in court.

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1) The reason why I include DEI in this list is that they too had become no less exploitive than their counterparts. How so? DEI DVDs lately had become the most painful to watch, due to the looooooooooooooooong self promotional commercials and other paid commercials before the feature presentation. To make matters worse, they would disable all the control buttons on the DVD player so that one could not even stop the DVD once inserted. I for one am glad DEI went kaput, because quite simply I could no longer stand their DVDs and their bullshit self promotion with no concern for the consumer whatsoever. I actually would much rather settle for slightly lower quality than DEI but without the forced commercials and disabling of buttons.

2) How is this business a monopoly? Quite simply, because each DVD is a unique product (we buy the DVDs for the films on them and not for the media itself) and since only one company has the right to make and sell that product that company becomes a monopoly.


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I'm back for more bashing!
When I said eariler, "There is soo much 'mood lighting' in this movie and complex set 'texture' in the set design. This movie is a DVD transferer's nightmare because of all the intricate details." I meant the original film version not the DVD. "Dola Re..." In the song with Madhuri and Ash the set is red and white with intricate patterns and the camera constantly moving. Images like this are very hard to compress because of all the detail. That is what I was getting at.

I knew I was going to get bashed for saying that the DVD is OK and Yes The DVD Is OK so bash away.

Another point I will get bashed for (and bash away :P) is that part but not all of the so called 'double imaging' and blurry picture everyone on ZLUM complains about on DVDs are inherent and originate from the original film, they are already there on the actual print. We just don't see them because the film is moving at 24 frames per second and this thing called persistance of vision 'tricks' our eyes into thinking we are seeing a clear moving image. It is only when we freeze and look at a single frame that we notice that a fast moving object is blurred.

In those screen captures directly above, that is a DVD double image yes but persistance of vision compensates for that in viewing and combing is a monitor line thing (not DVD generated) generally compensated by the same persistace of vision effect when viewing. My gripe with the film is the softness of the image seen in the background details of the screen captures. :bangbang: :bangbang:


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I'm back for more bashing!
When I said eariler, "There is soo much 'mood lighting' in this movie and complex set 'texture' in the set design. This movie is a DVD transferer's nightmare because of all the intricate details." I meant the original film version not the DVD. "Dola Re..." In the song with Madhuri and Ash the set is red and white with intricate patterns and the camera constantly moving. Images like this are very hard to compress because of all the detail. That is what I was getting at.

I knew I was going to get bashed for saying that the DVD is OK and Yes The DVD Is OK so bash away.

Another point I will get bashed for (and bash away :P) is that part but not all of the so called 'double imaging' and blurry picture everyone on ZLUM complains about on DVDs are inherent and originate from the original film, they are already there on the actual print. We just don't see them because the film is moving at 24 frames per second and this thing called persistance of vision 'tricks' our eyes into thinking we are seeing a clear moving image. It is only when we freeze and look at a single frame that we notice that a fast moving object is blurred.

In those screen captures directly above, that is a DVD double image yes but persistance of vision compensates for that in viewing and combing is a monitor line thing (not DVD generated) generally compensated by the same persistace of vision effect when viewing. My gripe with the film is the softness of the image seen in the background details of the screen captures. :bangbang: :bangbang:

On the contrary Byronicman.... Are u in anyway associated with Video coding and compression ? Thats my research work and it is but a matter of concern how would one go abt compression frames which depict ver large amounts of motion. The only alternative is to do a very precise motion estimation and jack up the bit-rate then. If you happen to check the bit-rates during those sequences you will see that the bit-rates are very high (thats the extra information which go into coding the motion vectors)....

Now in Devdas, due to the problem of interlacing you will have wrong motion information arising which will give rise to combing artifacts as shown the first picture. However if you happen to watch it on your normal interlaced TV's you will see the occurence of double images.

This has absolutely nothing to do with the occurence of "textures" in the images :)

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Another thing, more than DEI/Eros/Video Sound/WEG etc, you know what pisses me off the most? It is the attitude of most Indian DVD customers to accept this pathetic state of affairs. And even more aggravating is, that of these people actually continue to make excuses for these lame companies and their poor DVDs. The whole situation with Indian DVDs is no less than, blatant exploitation of the monoplostic nature of this business.


DOGRAK...please advise :D


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i've just been on the phone to BRICK LANE MUSIC HOUSE here in the UK to ask if DEVDAS was out and the person said no not yet they have no release date i said well its out in the USA it came out on friday will u be having them shipped over he said no because the UK version will be different and could be released a week later or even in NOV !!!

the people who own and run these types of businesss should know better that EROS has never brought out a different version of any of its dvd in the UK they have all been the same as the ones in the USA right down to the cover i'm sure this shop stocks all of EROS'S dvds yet they should know that the only reason DEVDAS has not been released here is because of certification and that once that done the version to be released will be identical in all aspects to the USA release.

when will these muppets who run the video's & music shop brush up on their knowledge i mean for #### sake they stock the products for a number of years and should know the policy adapted by EROS when it comes to releasing dvds.


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Just got my copy of the Devdas DVD and the first thing I noticed was Eros has spent ome extra bucks on the packaging. But that also straight away led to the thought that why can't a company which is willing to spend extra money on the packaging not spend a little extra on the production of the actual DVD to ensure better quality audio/video. Anyhow having said that, I did notice that for once Eros has used better quality, gold media for Disk 1 which contains the actual film. Eros gets 'two thumbs up' for that but I wish they would make that a reguialr practice with all their releases. But atleast it does seem they have given some extra importance to this release, because I don't recall Eros ever using Gold media for their DVDs (DEI mastered ones not included).
Anyhow upon starting the film and after the skipping (thank god they did not disable the skip button) of inappropriate commercials I immediately noticed that the film is cropped from the sides and is presented in an inaccurate aspect ratio. I am surprised that no one else either noticed this or mentioned it earlier. Anyhow the video quality seems to be at par with the average Eros DVD but I have seen much better from Eros themselves. The audio is in real DD 5.1 and is pretty decent, but not great. The bass is kind of ill defined and muddy. Also during the songs the voices are not centered and have quite an echo. Why o Why can't these idiots in Bollywood take a crash course in sound mixing? This is assuming this is how it is originally in the film and not something Eros did during the authoring of the DVD. Naaa that would be too much work for Eros to bother itself with.

One thing I have always wondered and failed to understand. Why do even directors that take a lot of pain in their film making not give a damn about how their work is finally presented, be it in cinema theaters or on video. After all the presentation does make a difference to the final experience of watching the film. I mean I am sure these gys must once in a while watch their own films on DVD. I know that if it was my film I would absolutely make sure that any release of my film would be presented in its best form possible and in fact I would involve myself in every stage of the DVD production also.


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Indeed!

[I am surprised that no one else either noticed this or mentioned it earlier. Anyhow the video quality seems to be at par with the average Eros DVD but I have seen much better from Eros themselves. The audio is in real DD 5.1 and is pretty decent, but not great. The bass is kind of ill defined and muddy. Also during the songs the voices are not centered and have quite an echo. Why o Why can't these idiots in Bollywood take a crash course in sound mixing? This is assuming this is how it is originally in the film and not something Eros did during the authoring of the DVD. Naaa that would be too much work for Eros to bother itself with))


The VIDEO, on WIDESCREEN TV is NOT CENTRED EITHER!!
THERE is something wrong in FRAMING!SHAKTI was framed BETTER!

AUDIO, is WAY TOO BRIGHT and HAS HOLLOWY, ECHOY character to it!! It is true DD 5.1, but becomes TIRESOME to ur EARS!

SHAKTI had its own problems of ECHOS!!

It seems like EROS has hired a new NOVICE SOUND MIXER tech!

BOX..is very DECENT..presentation is NICE! GOLD media is FINE!! BUT overall...PRODUCT, specially the FILM TRANSFER it self, should bRING< gANDE ANDEY, TAMATTER on lULLA!'s bIG FAT ASS!!! :baaa: :bangbang: :stupid: :angry:


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BTW!! just CHECKED TAAL, second(?3rd) edition by ERSO! it is PROG and lOOKS way better than DEVDAS! hmm! :baaa:


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yo ARSH bhai what r u saying should those that havn't brought yet wait for a 2nd/3rd possible version of this dvd ???


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I guess so!! POSSIBLY!! but Will EROS would be able to BEAT themselves? NEED to be thought!!
FORGET abt the SACRED BOX! Just GET, 2 in one version, for $5, BELIEVE ME! when it becomes available!!
BESIDES BOX, DVD is worth of that price!
U saved $20, still, u can use for another FORTHCOMING RELEASE!EROS can always rECYCLE this BAKSAA!!

BUT!! IMHO, EROS might EDGE out a BIT! BUT WILL NEVER GET DEVDAS right! to EVERY BODY's LIKENESS!!

All KUTTA/BILLA films GOING DON THE DRAIN by EROS, does not RAISE much BROWS! BUT A HUGE BLOCKBUSTER..GOING after them in the same DRAIN..is REALLY..PAINFUL! Bhaii!!

If u have BAADSHAH and TAAL, throw them in ur SYSTEM and SEE RESULTS with your OWN EYES!
U dont have to take my WORD FOR IT!!
GO FOR A TRIAL!!

LET ME KNOW..when 2 in ONE deal becomes available!! I need a SECOND COPY! of HOLLY SHITT!! :baaa: ???




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please visit this as soon as possible before EROS delete the guestbook posts its all very amusing !!!

http://www.erosmultimedia.net/eros_uk/G ... kGuest.asp


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Quite sad to read all the comments abt Devdas on dvd but I guess it was expected coming from those bastards at Eros.

But just one question, is the dvd only available in the USA, cause I've been trying to track it down @ my local shop in london but to no avail.

Has Jolly got the Devdas dvd stock yet and is he shipping yet???

:ffs: :keh: :bangbang: :doze:


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i believe uts arriving by shipment on TUES at JOLLY'S.


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