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PostPosted: Sun Jun 09, 2002 8:05 am 
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There is always a complaint...Sanjay, not to offend you or anybody else but isn't the dvd already up to standards because it is better then Video Sound and Eros? I always read that everyone wants a better DVD..meaning not Eros or Video Sound..so now we get it (Columbia Tristar) and there is still complaining...
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But guess what, the DVD turns out to be a dud. Shame on you Columbia.


Shame on Columbia? I guess Video Sound or Eros might as well do the DVD because there will always be complaining
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I guess HrithikRoshan84 that you have not watched Mission Kashmir in DTS before or you would have agreed with Sanjay.
I watched in Dolby Digital & DTS both and believe me the experience was totally mind blowing.
For those who watched Lagaan only on CT's Dolby Digital 5.1 dvd then you have missed out what it sounded in DTS in the theatres.


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Congress..you are probably right..but why expect DTS sound? How many indian movies have DTS sound? Laagan didn't and it was authored by CT so why would you expect M:K to have it? I know DTS sound is much better but it isn't an attribute of Bollywood Dvds


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HrithikRoshan84 wrote:
Congress..you are probably right..but why expect DTS sound? How many indian movies have DTS sound? Laagan didn't and it was authored by CT so why would you expect M:K to have it? I know DTS sound is much better but it isn't an attribute of Bollywood Dvds

Columbia is not really a DTS studio. Their only DVDs with DTS tracks have been a few mainstream releases (ex, MIB and Memento LE) and the Superbit titles. They don't support it across the board like Universal/Dreamworks or Fox.


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Forget DTS for Indian DVDs – it’s just not feasible or warranted. When DTS does make on an Indian DVD – it’s going to be a mockery of the sound system in the same way Video Sound, Yash Raj Films and others have exploited the pseudo 5.1 encodings on DVDs.

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C'mon we can't expect too much from Indian DVDs anyways. That's an invitation for disappointment. It's not reasonable to expect perfection or close. Give them time. Atleast the DVD is pretty OK and it's made it to USA mainstream.

The English lang track is OK. Pretty awkward at times but really good at other times.

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You said it right Ali!! DTS is not just feasible!! if some body tries to sell that on a hindidvd!! believe me, u will be even ashamed why you asked for it? A well done TRUE 5.1 DD sound should SUFFICE!! DTS is not BOLLYWOOD dvd's authorer's cup of tea! They should better not take ADVANTAGE of DTS name and charge us twice as much??
They can not get there video or aspect ratio right and we are talking about DTS!!
No doubt, DTS sounds much cleaner with better resolution and more dynamic in right context!

Now ! my humble 2 cents of MK dvd!?
Overall..very simillar to LAGAAN disc.
Video..very well done, except some scenes get softer, but on other times, it excells to the level of hollywood films IMO??
? made from Prog scan HD source..to me kinda looks simillar to Theatric Release!

Sound! True 5.1 sound with just decent dynamics and Resolution, not TOO Agressive and Dynamic..kinda a la Lagaan again!

Overall, I prefer ASOKA R2 metrodome, both audio and video wise over MK?

English Soundtrack is very decent and is done by proper Eng speaking folks with right Eng accent! and i am glad they did that, rather making, priety/sonali/sanjay speak eng dubbing!

I think, the whole film dialogues were rewritten in Eng? and mostly are very faithfull to HIndi Dialogues as far EQUALIZATION!! I liked it!

I personally prefer to watch, hindifilm in hindi even without subtitles, that i find extremely DISTRACTIVE to MY film VIEWING! :baaa:
looking forward to see Ali,s official review of MK?
I personally liked this dvd, it is lot better than almost all crap that we get in name of dvd sake..peace


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The disc features an anamorphic transfer with a ratio of approx. 2.35:1. The transfer seems quite good for an Indian film, with some pretty good colours (but it seems muted at times which is probably due to the way it was filmed) and some decent detail. Since this is a new film, there were no dirt marks or scratches on the print, and I couldn't see any motion or compression artifacts. I didn't see any blurring during high motion scenes so I suspect that the fast motion is handled adequately
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There is not much to say about this dvd. Good enough transfer for a good movie. Sharpness is not as good as it should be. DEI has done a better job with KNPH. I think most of the R1 Columbia disks look better than this disk.

It could have been better but I am happy with the disk.


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seems to me that MK dvd is only OK
i must say i expected better from columbia tristar
about the dts soundtrack for indian film dvd's, i say it should be included, i personally would like to have that
you are saying that indian dvd authors are not competent enough to handle dts soundtrack, but CT should do put dts for their indian film dvds, since they have done it already
i agree with you guys that most indian dvd authors would fail miserably if they tried dts, only DEI might have some success at it
but it comes down to the length of the indian films, which is the real reason why dts has not found its way onto indian dvds (this reason of course applies only to DEI and CT, who try to get the picture quality right, others have no excuse and they should not be allowed to author any dvds :bangbang: )
but i hope someday we get indian film dvds with excellent video and excellent DD/DTS audio, may be when MPEG-4 or Blue-ray Discs are popular


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Saw MK on dvd last night. In short what a good dvd. I could only find some minor problems with the print but dvd is somehow what I had in mind and even the sound is just fabulous. For pic wise of course for those who have bigger screens will know better than me. Also noticed MK was done in location sound by Nakul Kamte for most scenes.


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Had a quick glace through the DVD. It looks very clean with good colours and sharpness. The problem is it’s not sourced from the best of prints and noise reduction has been used to get rid of these print problems. Edge enhancement also has been applied which is quite noticeable on Sufiya’s red dress on pale blue backdrop in the song Chupke Se Suun. Bit rate varies – averages 5.74Mb/sec, I guess the second English dub track has something to-do with that too.

The DVD looks very good otherwise – comparatively it’s one of the best and properly done Indian DVDs out there.

Ali



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Congrats Ali! Wow! Could u read on package saying, trandfered from HIGH DEFINTION source!? :baaa: :cool: U must listen to Eng soundtrack also may be for 5 minutes? IMO it is done very well and very faithfully to original diologues mostly!irrespective to its ill effects on relative low bit video? :cool: :vsneaky:


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Ali,
While I generally agree with you that it is one of the better Indian DVD’s out there. I can’t say it is the best, as it is not holding up when watched on my FP setup because it not as sharp as it should be.

Please check out this interesting thread

Home theater forum superbit review


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Sorry ganti - slight typo by me :stupid: Didn’t mean to say it's ‘the best’ but ‘one of the best’. There's only a handful of Indian DVDs that have been properly framed, encoded and mastered - and MK falls into that category but definitely could have been much better.

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HrithikRoshan84 wrote:
There is always a complaint...Sanjay, not to offend you or anybody else but isn't the dvd already up to standards because it is better then Video Sound and Eros? I always read that everyone wants a better DVD..meaning not Eros or Video Sound..so now we get it (Columbia Tristar) and there is still complaining...
Shame on Columbia? I guess Video Sound or Eros might as well do the DVD because there will always be complaining
???

If the Columbia DVDs (Indian) were released anywhere close to within a week or two from the theatrical release, rather than 2 yrs down the line, I might accept the below average quality. But considering the loooooooooooong wait for the Columbia DVDs I still say "Shame on you Columbia".

By the way if only you guys had watched 'Mission Kashmir' in a theater with decent sound, would you know how poor the audio on the DVD is compared to the original.

Regarding 'DTS'. Although I prefer DTS over DD5.1, I am more than happy to accept DD5.1 in Indian DVDs but atleast that should be done well.


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Dont forget Mission Kashmirs dvd rights were up for grabs until late last year..when Sony handed it over to Columbia..so technically the film hasnt been with Columbia for over 2 years..


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