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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 4:48 pm 
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i have seen sholay myself in theatres ;-)
always in 4:3 or nearabouts -- maybe even 1.66:1 -- bt never ever 2.35:1 :D
Anyways, sholay being sholay, is an amazing experience in any aspect ratio!!

btw, have u noticed that none of the vhs seem to be in 2.35:1? my own gold vhs is full-frame -- and it's theatrical -- no cropping at all ;)


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:47 pm 
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NewDeep wrote:
i have seen sholay myself in theatres ;-)
always in 4:3 or nearabouts -- maybe even 1.66:1 -- bt never ever 2.35:1 :D
Anyways, sholay being sholay, is an amazing experience in any aspect ratio!!

btw, have u noticed that none of the vhs seem to be in 2.35:1? my own gold vhs is full-frame -- and it's theatrical -- no cropping at all ;)


I would not know anything about the VHS's

But isnt it a coincidence how Carlotta, Ultra & DEI are all off a 2.35:1 print


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:12 pm 
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sengh_15 wrote:
But isnt it a coincidence how Carlotta, Ultra & DEI are all off a 2.35:1 print


This is because all these companies used the same negative provided to them by the movie's rights holder.

Sholay has indeed been shown in theatres using 70mm prints, but the film was not shot this way. It was shot in 4:3 using standard 35mm film, which was then cropped to 2.35:1 and blown up to 70mm. Myself and others would argue that Sholay looks best in 4:3.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:33 pm 
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Stephen wrote:
[This is because all these companies used the same negative provided to them by the movie's rights holder.

Sholay has indeed been shown in theatres using 70mm prints, but the film was not shot this way. It was shot in 4:3 using standard 35mm film, which was then cropped to 2.35:1 and blown up to 70mm. Myself and others would argue that Sholay looks best in 4:3.


Cropped, blown up, who knows! The argument was that NewDeep said the film in 2.35.1, when it was. It could of been blown up or even shot in 2.35:1.


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:55 pm 
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The argument was that NewDeep said the film in 2.35.1, when it was. It could of been blown up or even shot in 2.35:1.
To clarify, what I said was that whenever I (personally) happened to see Sholay in theatres, all those viewings turned out to be of the 4:3 variety -- never ever 2.35:1 (as experienced by me) << and then I asked how many zulmis remembered a 2:35:1 screening, if any, in theatres in 1975.

the debate was also abt cinemascope ;-)
i still maintain sholay (rel in theatres in 1975) was never cinemascope except for the recent redone version (in the last few years) that also had dolby sound remastering and which was screened only in select theatres in mumbai.

the debate was also whether it's only the so-called "director's cut" that's fullframe. I still maintain that even theatrical versions are fullframe, and that these are available on Gold VHS as well as that most theatres in India screened this very format in 1975 :)

To reiterate:
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sengh_15 wrote:

The director's cut was shot in 4:3. The theatrical version was 2.35:1

not quite ;-)
see other sholay threads for more info.
yes... ;-)

VijayDinanathChavan wrote:
I remember posters of Sholay having words "Cinemascope" and "Stereophonic Sound", when it was released in 1975.
BTW, Sholay was released on 15th August 1975.

The words were "70mm" and "stereophonic sound" -- and remember, even then, most theatres screened the 4:3 version!


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:04 pm 
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Isn't/wasn't it 70mm always Cinemascope?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 21, 2009 11:24 pm 
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VijayDinanathChavan wrote:
Isn't/wasn't it 70mm always Cinemascope?
no ;-)
both are widescreen formats, but not the same!

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NewDeep wrote:
the debate was also abt cinemascope ;-)
i still maintain sholay (rel in theatres in 1975) was never cinemascope except for the recent redone version (in the last few years) that also had dolby sound remastering and which was screened only in select theatres in mumbai.
This is the "redone version" I was ref to:
: TIMES OF INDIA; 13 Aug 2004, 0402 hrs IST, Shabana Ansari, TNN Twenty-nine years after India's first 70 mm film created history all over the country, cinegoers can savour the magic of its digitally
spruced-up avatar.

'Sholay', Ramesh Sippy's 1975 curry western that went on to acquire quasi-cult status, is all set to hit Mumbai's cinema halls today.

Rehmat Enterprises, a little-known distribution house, which acquired the distribution rights in January, is also set to re-release 'Shaan', another Sippy multi-starrer, next month.

The distribution rights for both films, however, have been granted for only one year and only for Mumbai - after which Sippy Films plans to re-release them on a bigger scale all over India.

Released on August 15, 1975, with novelties like a 70 mm format and stereophonic sound, 'Sholay' ran for five successive years at Minerva.

The film has subsequently been telecast several times but Liaqat Gola, MD of Rehmat Enterprises, is undeterred by the possibility that the re-release may not re-capture audience attention.

"Our target viewers for this cult film are the youth who have only heard of the 'Sholay magic' from their parents," he says.

So will the youth be captivated? "It's hard to predict whether the upgraded version will be able to recreate the earlier magic, because it takes business acumen to sell a product," says Amitabh Bachchan.

"And since I am neither the producer nor the distributor but simply one of the actors in one of the greatest movies of all times, I can only hope that the film does well even today. But it is exciting to know that it's creating a buzz even after 29 years."

Javed Akhtar, who scripted the film along with Salim Khan, says that the 'Sholay' magic is "timeless and deeply embedded in the Indian psyche".

"In the history of Indian cinema, no other film has enjoyed Sholay's stature," he says. "There have been innumerable spoofs and references, not just on print and television, but also in other movies."

The film has been upgraded to a cinemascope version with four-track sound, using a software called 'Liquidgate' at a reported cost of Rs 80,000 per print.

Meanwhile, city theatres on Thursday were all geared up to revive the Jai-Veeru magic. Minerva's general manager Sushil Mehra-who, incidentally, was working at the same post when 'Sholay' was first released-is optimistic about the success of the upgraded version.

"But though it will attract audiences in hordes, it won't be like the first time," he says. "It was pure madness back then."

Veteran actor A K Hangal, who played the blind 'maulvi' in the film, feels that the new version will be able to recreate the old magic. "It is very sad that stalwarts like Sanjeev Kumar and Amjad Khan, who carried the film on their shoulders, are not around to see that 'Sholay' remains one of the most-talked-about films even after three decades," he says.

At Imax Adlabs in Wadala, 50 per cent of the tickets for the two shows have been sold out.

"Judging from the good response, the film will gain a new theatre-going audience, especially the younger generation, who may have seen the film on TV but might not have had the chance to catch the action on the big screen," says Sachin Shetty, GM of Imax.


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BTW, Around The World was also 70mm and it came out before Sholay.

Till date, no known VHS or DVD of Sholay has a Censor Cert saying, "Gauge = 70mm" .
Neither does any Censor Cert of any version of Sholay, barring possibly the Rehmat Enterprises version noted above, says "Sholay - Cinemascope". All known Censor Certs say "Gauge = 35mm" --- And all refer to the title of the movie not as Sholay but as Sholay Revised or Sholay Sanshodhit -- this indicates the final theatrical version. Check out your dvd or vhs!


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 7:32 pm 
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http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=58178 wrote:
Sholay was India's first 70mm widescreen film and also boasted stereophonic sound. However, since actual 70mm cameras were deemed too expensive to be used to shoot the epic actioner, the movie instead was shot on traditional 35mm film and the 4:3 picture was subsequently blown up, cropped and matted to a 2.20:1 frame. This also proved cost-effective in that separate 35mm prints would be needed anyway since few theatres in India were equipped to show widescreen films.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 22, 2009 9:56 pm 
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The article ND has shown was published in 2004, but I remember seeing it much much before 2004 around 1996-1997 in 2.35:1


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 Post subject: Sholay by REM
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1 DVD9; running time: 189 min (NOT Director’s Cut); Hindi DD2.0; subtitles: German (optional); aspect ratio: 2,35:1 (16:9), Region: 2

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And we go on waiting for an ultimate edition ... :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Sholay by REM
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Looks poor.


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 Post subject: Re: Sholay by REM
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Same situation with all Sholay's DVDs. Poor PQ!


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 Post subject: Re: Sholay by REM
PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:56 am 
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Damn! I was about to order this one. How is the DD2.0 audio? Carlotta was DD Mono. As far as the video quality goes, Carlotta is not too great either. Even though they split the movie in 2 discs, the bitrate is not that high. If you were to combine the movie from both the Carlotta discs into one, it is approximately 10GB total in size. Carlotta: Disc1 Movie Only: 4.67 GB, Disc2 Movie Only: 4.52 GB.


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 5:50 pm 
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new dvd from REM


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 6:34 pm 
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NewDeep wrote:
new dvd from REM


Do you mean to say this regarding the screens from a few posts above, or is there a NEWER version?

Anyone know where I can buy the Carlotta version online? Is it JUST a 2 disc release or 3DVD9? Thanks...


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