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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:41 am 
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Hero wrote:
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Sengh..Yaar Iss Film Ka Director Bohot Chawal Insan Hai


he could be, but the film wasnt that bad



Nahi Yaar Woh Bohot Chawal Hai..Chawal Film Banata Hai Saala


aapko kaise patta?


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:44 am 
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Stephen wrote:
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How are colors better on above DVD?


The Moserbaer video has a much more natural and warm look. Colours are extremely cold and pastel-like on the DEI DVD. Gamma levels are too high while contrast levels are too low. Most DEI transfers suffered these kinds of issues – their grading equipment was never state of the art.

I agree even their best dvds were plagued with soft video


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:23 am 
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Zoran009 wrote:
Hero wrote:
sengh_15 wrote:
Hero wrote:
Sengh..Yaar Iss Film Ka Director Bohot Chawal Insan Hai


he could be, but the film wasnt that bad



Nahi Yaar Woh Bohot Chawal Hai..Chawal Film Banata Hai Saala


aapko kaise patta?



Yaar Uski Chawal Ki Films Dekho Pata Chal Jaye Ga


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:17 pm 
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Stephen wrote:
mhafner wrote:
How are colors better on above DVD?


The Moserbaer video has a much more natural and warm look. Colours are extremely cold and pastel-like on the DEI DVD. Gamma levels are too high while contrast levels are too low. Most DEI transfers suffered these kinds of issues – their grading equipment was never state of the art.

I prefer the DEI colors to above colors.
What do you mean, gamma too high and contrast too low? Raising gamma enhances contrast (and reduces shadow detail).


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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 8:56 pm 
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mhafner wrote:
What do you mean, gamma too high and contrast too low? Raising gamma enhances contrast (and reduces shadow detail).


Contrast (specifically black base contrast) is too low meaning whites are never white, but grey. And gamma is too high meaning skin tones are too light/pale.

How would raising gamma reduce shadow detail exactly? Should it not have the opposite effect?


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:11 am 
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I have the Indus release -- looks like it is the same as the Moserbaer-Indus... will check.
One thing, the 5.1 on the Indus is very nice! I'm sure it will be as good on the moserbaer too.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 9:32 am 
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Stephen wrote:
mhafner wrote:
What do you mean, gamma too high and contrast too low? Raising gamma enhances contrast (and reduces shadow detail).

Contrast (specifically black base contrast) is too low meaning whites are never white, but grey. And gamma is too high meaning skin tones are too light/pale.
How would raising gamma reduce shadow detail exactly? Should it not have the opposite effect?

If whites are too low the white point/contrast is set incorrectly. Gamma need not be involved, but it may. If gamma goes up gray shades rise more slowly from the black level, if it goes down more quickly. So high gamma plus not so good black level of display = crushed blacks and loss of shadow detail. The blacker the black of the display the higher the gamma you can use without losing shadow detail (so CRT has highest display gamma with ~2.6).
DEI discs as I remember are on the cool side with color temperature. I compared Fiza DEI with the other one back then (not Moserbaer) and the colors were far better. How warm or cold the transfer should be is in the end a matter of taste. Ideally it should look like a master print. It's possible the prints looked warmer than the DEI disc but I don't remember for sure. Bollywood film prints often have a color grading problem anyway due to wider lab tolerances and not enough post production time to do a careful job (rushed). So even if it looks like the print it may not be what the film makers actually intended.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:32 pm 
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NewDeep wrote:
I have the Indus release -- looks like it is the same as the Moserbaer-Indus... will check.
One thing, the 5.1 on the Indus is very nice! I'm sure it will be as good on the moserbaer too.


can u post some shots of the indus version please


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 3:44 pm 
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will be able to do so sometime next week...


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