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rana
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2003 1:37 pm 
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gautam wrote:
i strongly second that shemaroo dvds are second best to dei. I tried their mughal e azam and bobby from indiaweekly and guide, jab jab phool khiley, sangam, pakeezaha and bawarchi directly from india through friend of mine who was visiting to me to shock you all their dvds are available in india for Rs 350 only now

Gautam

Gautam, in my st above, I have listed characteristics of some 20 Shemaroo DVDs, bought here in Canada/ US. It'll be great if you could identify any differences in the Indian Shemaroo DVDs. And also, ifyou could comment on other Shemaroo DVDs at you received from India.

If you like to ID them, whether Pseudo-prog (Film to NTSC) or Field Averaged interlaced (Film to PAL to NTSC), you can step forwaed frame by frame. Knowing that all their DVDs are 30 frames (60 fields) per sec, If every 5th frame has some indication of repeat of the previous frame, then it's Pseudo-progressive, otherwise it's Field Averaged Interlaced.

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Rana
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armaan wrote:
Mhafner, I'm probably not competent to provide technical comments on the Pakeezah dvd but it states that its the ultimate enhanced version with smooth viewing. The sound quality appears to be good and the picture is mostly smooth. There are some insignificant scenes which are grainy or shaky but I think that may well be a problem with the master print. I hope this helps.

Smooth? I think I'll pass. Sounds like more crappy filtered
stuff. It's cropped and not 16:9 enhanced anyway. No thanks. :nopity:
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chandna
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Tee wrote:
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Am I correct in my assumption that Shermaroo make the best Indian DVDs after DEI?

If so, can anyone recommend some of the better releases by Shermaroo titles (old or new)?

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Hi
A big company named shemaroo is releasing one by one titles of Bollywood Entertainment Inc in Overseas territories for which they dont have the rights. Is it not a piracy, check SADMA, KHATTA MEETHA AND KNOW KABHI HAAN KABHI NAAN
buy the orignal only which is and will be better
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DragunR2
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rana wrote:
Shemaroo is certainly good in one thing. They do put life into old worn out faded lifeless film prints. They do have excellent equipment for that (as per their site).

They have a lot of fancy equipment but obviously they don't know how to use it.


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4) Apart from all this, as mhafner has pointed out so many times for all Indian DVDs, DVNR (Digital Video Noise Reduction) should be used selectively and only where neccessary. Presently it's excecessively used and is used everywhere, whether needed or not.

Rana


Or maybe the problem is that they DO need to use DVNR. Maybe the prints they use are so speckled that they're trying to reduce the noise but aren't quite using it properly. It is being used even on newer films by all companies (Eros, VS, DEI, Ayngaran, etc.)
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rana
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chandna wrote:
Tee wrote:
Hi

Am I correct in my assumption that Shermaroo make the best Indian DVDs after DEI?

If so, can anyone recommend some of the better releases by Shermaroo titles (old or new)?

Thanks

Hi
A big company named shemaroo is releasing one by one titles of Bollywood Entertainment Inc in Overseas territories for which they dont have the rights. Is it not a piracy, check SADMA, KHATTA MEETHA AND KNOW KABHI HAAN KABHI NAAN
buy the orignal only which is and will be better

Shemaroo became popular when someone in North America replicated (sold dirt cheap) some of the Indian Shemaroo DVDs, specially for which YRF had North American rights, and they turned out to be better than YRF versions. Even though they were miles behind DEI quality, as they were better than YRF versions, people started asking for them. This gave a perception that Shemaroo is good quality. Truth is, it was only slightly better than YRF versions; Andhon Mein Kana Raja. Because of this demand, official Shemaroo DVDs got into North American Market, legal or illegal, and are at highly inflated price.

In comparison, DEI, BEI, Super Digital progressive DVDs are miles ahead of Shemaroo quality as well as a lot cheaper. Customers are wasting their money by buying those Shemaroo titles that are available as DEI, BEI or Progressive Super Digital.

Rana
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chandna
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rana wrote:
chandna wrote:
Tee wrote:
Hi

Am I correct in my assumption that Shermaroo make the best Indian DVDs after DEI?

If so, can anyone recommend some of the better releases by Shermaroo titles (old or new)?

Thanks

Hi
A big company named shemaroo is releasing one by one titles of Bollywood Entertainment Inc in Overseas territories for which they dont have the rights. Is it not a piracy, check SADMA, KHATTA MEETHA AND KNOW KABHI HAAN KABHI NAAN
buy the orignal only which is and will be better

Shemaroo became popular when someone in North America replicated (sold dirt cheap) some of the Indian Shemaroo DVDs, specially for which YRF had North American rights, and they turned out to be better than YRF versions. Even though they were miles behind DEI quality, as they were better than YRF versions, people started asking for them. This gave a perception that Shemaroo is good quality. Truth is, it was only slightly better than YRF versions; Andhon Mein Kana Raja. Because of this demand, official Shemaroo DVDs got into North American Market, legal or illegal, and are at highly inflated price.

In comparison, DEI, BEI, Super Digital progressive DVDs are miles ahead of Shemaroo quality as well as a lot cheaper. Customers are wasting their money by buying those Shemaroo titles that are available as DEI, BEI or Progressive Super Digital.

Rana

You are perfectly right rana
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Zoran009
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JAAN KI AMAAN PAOON, tou kuch ARZ KAROUN? Chandna ji?

It seems like that you have GREAT INSIGHT into BEI/DEI stuff!!

May I ask? what the hell, went wrong with BEI's DISCO DANCER? Why it is NOT PROG?

If BEI was not able to find, source to do PROG transfer, why they pick up this film?

I am LOOSING my faith as consumer in their professional integrity to provide par excellence in this ABYSMAL HINDI DVD INDUSSTRY, I must admit!

They are tarnishing their GOOD reputation.. :nopity: :baaa: ???
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JamesBond007
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Right you are! I remember reading a thread where you were kinda teed off with IW regarding these sky dvds :D
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rana
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monizam wrote:
same people who claims that shemaroo is good also beat up on baba and videosound...some ofthose same videosound and baba dvds were done by shemaroo....
i have a slew of sky dvds done by shemaroo that just freeze and :baaa: :baaa: :baaa: :baaa: :baaa:

In general, Shemaroo DVDs are better, when they do them for themselves. When they do DVDs for clients, they aren't that good. May be the clients don't provide good source or don't pay the extra fee for the extra effort??

Regarding freezing problems in non-shemaroo DVDs, encoded by Shemaroo; depends, who mass produced the discs and what kind of blanks they used, even though Shemaroo encoding was used.

If and when someone mass produces (legal or illegal) these discs, there is a chance, original shemaroo encoding could even be further compressed?? Example: Shri 420 has a VHS type glitch.

Rana
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sknath
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Chandna... as Arsh has pointed out... I do not buy any DVDs manufactured by any other company other than DEI and now BEI... So there is no question of buying a Shemaroo Version of the film if there is an equiv. DEI or BEI version..

As far as I know, Sandish @ DEI had promised Us (the consumers) a great DVD when they released Disco Dancer.... Do you think that such gimmics are gonna help their cause in anyway ?... Are they sacrificing quality for quantity ?.... Dont u think that this gives Pirates a perfectly reasonable excuse to further their cause !

Can you explain this to us ! ... If you think that I am being harsh here... please read my signature :)
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JamesBond007
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I do not buy any DVDs manufactured by any other company other than DEI and now BEI..


Really? :D :D

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Can you explain this to us ! ... If you think that I am being harsh here... please read my signature


Sucking up? Sure Chandna connected with BEI? :D :D
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sknath
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It didnt cross my mind.. until "someone" raised that question !

But Chandna.. are u in someway related with DEI ? I think you may be... why u may ask me...

If anyone has any old copies of DEI authored movies.. like

Chupke Chupke.. please take a look at the flip side of the dvd...

chandna@indiacalling.com ?

Are you the same person ? (of cos nothing wrong if you are indeed the same person !).. We have our Fav... Jolly also on this forum :D
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rana
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It's great if BEI rep is really reading our zulmi posts and discussing as well. We know, DEI used to listen to us, quality conscious consumers. Let's hope BEI maintains the trend.

I must add that so far I have come across only 2 DVDs from DEI/ BEI that aren't Film DVDs. Saahib Bibi Aur Ghulaam and Disco Dancer. Rest 300 or so DVDs are all in Film mode (Progressive). If BEI couldn't get a good film source and had to use a PAL Beta master, they could have released this DVD under a different banner.

One good thing though. After seeing the consumer reaction and knowing the quality of this DVD in comparison to other DEI/ BEI DVDs, they seem to have reduced Disco Dancer DVD's price. It's avail for under $ 5 at many web stores (IW, Nehaflix, ---).

BTW, apart from DEI/ BEI released 300 or so Indian DVDs, less than 100 (out of over 5000) from all other Indian brands are in Film mode and less than 20 are, presently, in circulation.

Rana
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