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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2002 4:30 am 
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Minsara Kanavu, the Tamil movie which was dubbed/remade (?) in Hindi as Sapney, had been released earlier by Pyramid. Ayngaran recently re-released it, with anamorphic video and 5.1 audio.

Audio: As my DVD player is out-of-order, could not check out the audio in the home theater setup. Will update on this later.

Video: A very big let down from Ayngaran. Picture is anamorphic, but becomes blurry at every instance of on-screen motion. Colors are well saturated though.

Thanks to Ali for resizing these images in the correct aspect ratios. WinDVD was used for capturing these screen shots, and the pictures were very distorted even though the actual DVD video was not.

Main menu:

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Chapter menu:

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Songs menu:

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I don't know what the technical term is for this, but this happens every time there is some on-screen motion.

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Edited By chaver on Jan. 05 2002 at 16:48


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2002 4:35 am 
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However, when there isn't that much motion, the picture is pretty good and showcases the glorious cinematography.



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Edited By ali on Jan. 05 2002 at 12:05


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Tamil Zorro? :D

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Prabhu Deva in action!

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Vibrant colors

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Every single DVD on this planet has on screen motion problems, in some cases most DVD's pull off a smoother action making it not as bad. I thought Ayngaran Minsara Kanavu was alright in terms of this problem, even it was present during some of the dance sequence.
Some of these problems is not just disc related but some DVD hardware which is varies quite a lot (and a lot of people tend to forget that).

If you want to see bad example of on screen motion watch Tomb Raider region 2 DVD! I couldn't understand the fast action and suspect the quick release affected the quality of this product. (But many DVD reviewers seem to disagree with me).


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2002 12:25 pm 
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chaver, I edited you posted and resized the images to correct their AR.

As for motion problems; Ayngaran DVDs have always had this problem - their telecines are usually average but their encoding and noise reduction methods are no better than Eros DVDs. And these are not hardware problems relating to DVD players – hardware players motion compensate (together with other hardware assist) from one frame to the other – its this motion compensation that differs between players – how well or bad they do it. But when the DVDd like from Ayngaran & Eros are encoded badly you get these problems shown in screen shots. Ayngaran DVD sharpness is never as good as DEI DVDs because all their DVDs are not from a progressive source – which gives that DVD quality sharpness and better motion on playback.

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Thank you Ali, for resizing the images.

I agree there are motion problems in the other two Ayngaran DVDs that I have (Alaipayuthey and Dum Dum Dum), but they are few and hard to notice unless I use the computer monitor. However, they were very visible on this disk, actually distracting the movie viewing experience, hence my complaint.


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Shahran Sunny Audit wrote:
Every single DVD on this planet has on screen motion problems, in some cases most DVD's pull off a smoother action making it not as bad. I thought Ayngaran Minsara Kanavu was alright in terms of this problem, even it was present during some of the dance sequence.
Some of these problems is not just disc related but some DVD hardware which is varies quite a lot (and a lot of people tend to forget that).



We didn't know enough in 2002.

Now we know, it's all due to PAL (25) to NTSC (60) field averaged conversion. Mostly, it doesn't happen in Hollywood DVDs. Sometimes even direct Film to NTSC DVDs suffer from this problem if they use field averaging transferring 24 fps of film to 60 fields of NTSC using field averaging instead of repeating every 4th field.


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Same director as KK!


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rana wrote:
Shahran Sunny Audit wrote:
Every single DVD on this planet has on screen motion problems, in some cases most DVD's pull off a smoother action making it not as bad. I thought Ayngaran Minsara Kanavu was alright in terms of this problem, even it was present during some of the dance sequence.
Some of these problems is not just disc related but some DVD hardware which is varies quite a lot (and a lot of people tend to forget that).



We didn't know enough in 2002.

Now we know, it's all due to PAL (25) to NTSC (60) field averaged conversion. Mostly, it doesn't happen in Hollywood DVDs. Sometimes even direct Film to NTSC DVDs suffer from this problem if they use field averaging transferring 24 fps of film to 60 fields of NTSC using field averaging instead of repeating every 4th field.


It's not field Averaged.

Got AYN Minsara-- DVD. When watching it on TV, PQ looks excellent and has perfect 4th frame repeated into 5th. No multi-images.

But, the same disc when played using Power DVD "Auto Select", does give same multi-images as in Chaver's screen caps above.

Can't say why?? May be it's that TV shows freeze fields and Power DVD shows freeze frames and "freeze frame" is getting fields from adjacent frames??

I think, any pixel comparing decoder will recognize its 2-3 pull down and display proper Progressive Images on Progressive displays.


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If you look at chaver's top caps, none show combing? I dont know how did he capture, but :roll:


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arsh wrote:
If you look at chaver's top caps, none show combing? I dont know how did he capture, but :roll:


These shots are the same as what I get from Power DVD "Auto Select", which is "BOB" really. Force Weave gives combing in half the shots as normal fore Pseudo-Progressive encoding.


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