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I'd much rather see a IR-Bhavatharini photograph <3 :)

IR-Bhavatharini or Pav-Bhavatharani 8)


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Hopefully we can get another ARR-IR picture thru this function.


I'd much rather see a IR-Bhavatharini photograph <3 :)

IR-Bhavatharini or Pav-Bhavatharani 8)


you just made my day *sniff* :oops: :thumbs:


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Intersting read ( old article from http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/mag/2002/ ... 150500.htm )

OCTOBER 31, 1931. The first Tamil film "Kalidas" opened in Madras at Kinema Central, the present day Murugan Talkies. When T.P. Rajalakshmi as the heroine appeared on the screen and sang the song "Gandhiyin Kai Rattiname," few realised that they were witnessing the birth of a cultural colossus — Tamil film music.

The early Tamil films, advertised as "all-talking, all-singing, all-dancing pictures," right from the beginning drew upon the existing form of music-drama. All the song-laden Tamil films produced during the initial years were film versions of popular plays staged by the drama companies. The practice was to engage a drama troupe, make them enact a play and shoot head on, in long takes. In doing so the film-makers tapped a powerful and popular tradition — the drama company repertoire. These drama companies had shaped a theatre of song and music, where words and action were minimal. As long as cinema remained silent, there had been little interaction between the world of drama companies and cinema. But once sound was introduced into cinema, all the musicians and songwriters got up, as it were, from the pit in front of the stage, and moved into the studios.

Almost immediately after the arrival of talkies, film songs came out as 78-rpm plates. This helped to establish their position as an independent aural experience, separate from the films of which they were a part. After sound studios were established in Chennai in 1934, the cinema industry stabilised itself and the prospect of steady money was clear. Attracted by the lucre, classical musicians who had hitherto looked at cinema with disdain, entered films, once after another. Right from Maharajapuram Visvanathayyar to GNB many musicians associated themselves with the films. In turn Tamil cinema popularised classical music by simplifying it for the people most of who had been far removed from it. Film songs were standardised to four or five minutes to suit the duration of the gramophone plates. However, when the facility of recording sound separately and placing it later on the sound track became available, there was no need for actors to possess singing ability. Artistes could be chosen for looks and for acting ability. This marked the exit of classical musicians from the screen. A new category of film artiste, playback singer, arrived on the scene.

Film music transcended categorisations. The inegalitarian society, this was an important development. Though All India Radio ignored films songs and refused to broadcast them, Radio Ceylon brought the songs into homes. Later, audio cassettes, CDs, TV and the attendant electronic technology, vastly extended the reach of film songs.

Though film music is often compared with classical music and is denigrated, it is catholic in approach, adapting continuously from several styles. This is one area of Indian musical scene that is marked by constant experimentation and innovation.

Though such adaptations at times degenerate into plagiarism, its appeal is undiminished. Film sings have supplanted folk music in the lives of common people. Both have a simplicity that does not pre-suppose any knowledge of music. The association of sound with images, of songs with certain scenes and certain actors is another factor in their popularity. The love scenes endow the songs with direct erotic association, thus increasing their appeal. Songs evoke the film viewing experience.

No other artiste's career symbolises the popularity and hold of film music, as does Ilayaraja's. He has been at work in Tamil cinema for 25 years and has composed music for more than 800 films in five languages. For the Tamil diaspora, Ilayaraja has emerged as a cultural force.

Ilayaraja came on the scene 45 years after film music had first appeared. When he entered Tamil films in the mid 1970s, there was stagnation, in film music and in the type of films that were being made. Ilayaraja's innovative creations came as a whiff of fresh air. The song that made him famous in his debut film "Annakili" (1976) "Annakili Unnai Theduthu" (Annam is looking out for you) was authentically folk and soon was playing throughout Tamil Nadu. The film "Kavikuyil" (1977) stabilised his position in the film world.

There are three elements of Ilayaraja's music, the first is the folk music of the Tamils, such as the work songs and march songs. The second is Carnatic music and the third European classical music. Folk music has been used earlier, but quite functionally through classical music idiom. Ilayaraja brought it in with its soul, with its earthy, rooty characteristics. He used authentic instruments like tharai and thappattai (drums). In many films he has demonstrated his skill over Carnatic music, handling some difficult ragas. In 1989 when the Classical Musicians Forum honoured him, Ilayaraja pointed out that classical musicians were not being innovative and were parroting the same ragas and songs. He went on to point out that film musicians, just to survive, have to be creative.

When he came to Madras in search of fortune, he learnt Western music and quickly became familiar with Western Classical. In fact when Ilayaraja went for his first audition in 1968, the piece that he played on his harmonium was Laura's theme from the film "Dr. Zhivago." Much later, in 1989 after dominating the film music scene for a decade, he brought out his first independent album "How To Name It" in which he established his mastery in fusion music. One critic (C.S.G. Prasad) has suggested four factors as the basis of Ilayaraja's success as a music director: his fidelity to the form he chooses, whether it is folk or classical, his musical imagination that provides evocative background score, his sense of harmony which keeps each song under control as it were and lastly his brilliant orchestration.

But most of all, Ilayaraja's understanding of the role of music in films is what set him apart. He realises that film music is not just music placed on the sound track of a film and that it should not be created as if it was a mere aural experience, isolated of the images of a film. It is applied music. It has to integrate with the narrative, not intrude upon it. It has to go with the images that appear on the screen and enhance the quality of cinema. It is part of a viewing experience. To achieve this, the music director should be familiar with the aesthetics of cinema, with its form and with its possibilities.

In cinema, a good music composer is not necessarily a good music director. Ilayaraja's comprehension of cinema is evident in his background scores, which add a new dimension to it. He pays closer attention to this aspect as few have done before. He watches the film fully, grasps the basic thrust of the film and adds appropriate musical score in the soundtrack. Ilayaraja has shown that just as imaginative lighting could enhance the visuals and their cinematic quality, so can background music. This can be pointed out as his defining influence. One film in which this is evident is Balu Mahendra's "Veedu." The film had no song. He also composes music to suit the lead characters of a particular film. This is new to Tamil cinema,. He says that he tries to understand the character, her/ his inner feelings and then decides on the appropriate music and instruments that would go with the particular character.

The director of the film "Bharathi" told me that when he showed him the film script and screened the rushes, Ilayaraja was quick to grasp that the liet motif of the film was the poet's famous lines "Having crafted a fine Veenai, would you fling it, so its timbre is ruined, in the dust"? In the last scene, this song has been placed as an off screen voice. At a poignant moment Ilayaraja joins in with his mellifluous voice to close the song and the film.


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I read somewhere that IR took 12 days to score BGM for Ramana, highest in his TFM career. It is a wonderful movie, enriched by nice BGM. Bharathi is also another great one where IR prooved why he is still the undisputed king of BGM in indian cinema. Abt Veedu, it is the tune that he used in How To Name It,but neverthless its another master piece.

Thanks for the link 8)


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Right now, I'm kicking myself in the back for not being an advent follower of Ilayaraja music. But I'm gonna try...


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More info - not sure i follow all of the music stuff, but perhaps some of you here will appreciate it

http://www.geocities.com/thiruvasakam_i ... lties.html


WHAT IS INDIAN SYMPHONY AND WHY IS THIRUVASAKAM IN SYMPHONY SPECIAL THAN OTHER FUSION MUSIC COMPOSITIONS?

MODERN MUSIC THOUGHTS IN MAESTRO ILAIYARAAJA


“If you are patient enough to read you may learn a lot I guess”

First of all Indian music’s foundations are horizontal structures called melody. Since it concentrates on melody alone enormous experiments were conducted by many generations, before several unknown centuries, to build up melodic systems and its usage. Western music’s specialty is it’s vertical structures, the harmony but also involves melody. The melody the west uses is different from the Indian melody because of the usage of scales and tones. Though the Indian musicians felt the harmony by mind while they created melodic compositions, they didn’t try to introduce harmony into their music systems and just concentrated on making the elodic usage more and more complex in its content and easier in its usage and understanding. There are certain ways and methods of music education by which Indian music education can be learnt in a decade but the to what extent is always a doubt because it has formatted a system for itself which includes all natural sound substances available in nature (which our ear hears) whereas the west operates on fixed sounds following an uniquely accepted music system all over the world “The chromatic scale system”. Though music is periodic and involves octaves (stayi), the number of scales (ragas) experimented by many folks is unimaginable and almost the Indian music grammar covers almost all harmonic contents of tones. For example the “Moving tones”(Gamakkam) where different types of shaking the fixed note (in relation to chromatic) takes place where different additions and omissions of harmonic contents may result in different ragas. Infact the truth is Melody is made up of harmony. Harmony is the mother of melody. The melody and harmony are inseparable. It’s a very tough concept to understand but it’s the truth.

Astounding!!! And that’s why to master Indian music it will take almost 3/4th of your life. Not only this there are many more complex rules, which minutely makes one raga different from other raga. For example the ascending and descending of scales (arohanam and avarohanam). The universal pentatonic scale is referred to “raga mohanam in Indian music” but to say the truth its different because of some more minute melodic (harmonic) details which chromatic fails to give. Many more complex rules govern Indian classical music system. As how difficult it’s to perform a grand symphony, it’s very very hard to become a genius in Indian classical music. Indian classical music is mastered by pundits who will always hesitate to enter the western classical domain as its one another tough music system. One can hardly point out music composers who are really really into both classical music domains. Maestro Ilaiyaraaja is therefore ahead of all music composers. Western classical composition and making grand symphony needs brainwork to harmonize the contents in brain and write as score. Mastering Indian classical to the maximum possible extent are not possible in ones life time of 80 years. Ilaiyaraaja has achieved this in 50 years. “Mel harmony by Ravikiran is great work left for humanity but still I doubt if Maestro Ravikiran can handle his own western classical symphonic composition and orchestration. Besides these Ilaiyaraaja has almost touched all parts of the world either jazz, blues, souls, Chinese or German folk all in his film scores.

His non-film albums like “chamber welcomes thiagarajar” is a blow for “Western classical musicians who believe that their music system is the greatest as the notes played in the composition will make one think if its fixed note or a moving note”. To say one more truth, the absolute pitch musicians don’t play the perfect pitch in reality. The vibrato which our ear like = absolute pitch+ a slight deviation from absolute pitch. If this slight deviation is not there, we wont like the sound. We like string effect. What happens in a string section of orchestra? Each string player play notes slightly deviating from the note on the score sheet. All these random pitch
variations add up causing the effect, making us feel the great sound. So its not the argument that we humans like big sounds.

Mozart I love you is based on an assumption if “Mozart plays kalyani rag, I guess. Not sure of it. Watch the mathematical musician Bach playing moving notes.

“I met Bach in his house” is a fusion of Indian rag with Bach’s compositions.

Hear “You can't be free” and just you could not believe how Indian tones are harmonized with fixed tonal system. Listen how he tries to avoid fixed notes in weak accented beats thereby intelligently succeeds in harmonizing the raga with a string quartet. He introduces silence where fixed note can’t be harmonized with moving note (the gammkam)

“Song of the soul” is an Indian classical jazz-fusion.

The exceptional music composer’s compositions have gone unnoticed. The Illaiyaraja Grand symphony 1 is not released and the reason should be the attitude of Western classical musicians who could not hear anything other than that tones fixed in the London music conference, May 1939.

I hope folks can now understand who is Ilaiyaraaja and why he is special. There are many in the world that could write music by mind but most of them would be fixed note specialists. Ask them to write an Asian classical-Western classical fusion, they could not as what they believe as music is that 12 notes and that’s it.

Ilaiyaraaja can write for a total western classical orchestra and also for a fusion orchestra, which means all natural sounds, can be represented on sheet by his mind.

Do you now feel the difference?

If you ask a question “Friend!! Many have did fusion music; my reply would be “sir! Most of the fusion would be fusion of either American and German or Russian and French all of which are based on fixed tonal system, which is of course quite possible if you could understand the music culture of both domains but this is a fusion of entirely different systems, which are strongly experimented in the past. Fusing folk with a classical system is great but also not as challenging as this “thiruvaskam in symphony” does as folk music is not much experimented with much grammatical expectations”. You are free to compose the way you want. You are free to mould the music, twist it the way you want. Western classical and blues, jazz-fusion is also kindred.

To me Ilaiyaraaja is the world’s best Composer because I think this way: What if Tamil is the world’s highly spoken language and Tamil culture is widely followed on earth. Mr.Thanikachalam is not going to say Mozart as the best composer and Mr.Parthasarathy is not going to mention “The Beatles music troupe”.

Ilaiyaraaja is the single sole man (not a music band of 4) who does all by himself from composition, arrangement, conducting to sometime even sitting in the console mixing tracks. His ideas ranges from Indian, western, American to computer music. If you could then argue there will be more competition and more talents, if Tamil becomes world’s highly used culture, I can take India musicians into account. Nobody in India has satisfied common man, Indian pundits and foreign pundits at the same time. Give me one great example I will accept my argument and surrender. But unfortunately you can’t even mention one such composer other than ilaiyaraaja and therefore my argument is proved. Ilaiyaraaja should be seen from different points to understand his genius. He is a special composer of our age and we are failing to give him the right acknowledgement. For me stevie wonder is great composer and singer and I love his voice in “I just want to say I love you” but my culture want “yengae sellum indha padai” the maestro’s trademark voice in me. I’m from Indian culture and who is “Schubert for tom”, so is Ilaiyaraaja for me. Even if you throw out the culture discussion, 900 movies in a span of 25 years. All are not one and a half hour movies but 3 hours. All done in 3 to 10 days time. Neither Beethoven, Neither Michael Jackson, Neither Beatles, Neither Elvis Presley, James Horner could accomplish this. Leave out our local music composers; they haven’t touched all classical domains in the world. Don’t bring the old film works inspired by world musicians, which are few in number. That old ilaiyaraaja is gone before 20 years. Who is ilaiyaraaja now? How did he turn himself to a music colossus?

Ask a foreigner what is Indian music? He replies so naively “sitar and tabla music”. I don’t blame the genius of Ravi Shankar or zakir Hussein. Many argue that they were the musians who took our music to foreign. My answer to them is “No”. They didn’t take our music to them but they created a “Curiosity in foreigners about Indian music”. A theoretical explanation before a raga concert in “Ohio concert hall” will never make a foreigner understand our music but a practical composition made like thiruvasakam in symphony or “you can’t be free” or “study for violin” will achieve it. Those compositions haven’t reached even Indians and that’s because we are poor souls to acknowledge great composers but future will certainly hail Maestro Ilaiyaraaja’s compositions. May be after a century.



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Hail Maestro! dvdisoil, just like you I didnt understand the music side of it, but good to read anything about IR


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1. President of India can not officially present in any audio release (or similar type), but he was as much interested to participate as anyone else, so President's office asked TIS group to arrange for the release along with some official visit, but due to short timings, it is ruled out

2. Rajinikanth and Kamal will attend the function, both because they are crowd pullers, but they are dedicated IR fans (recent news is that Rajni want IR to score for his next movie, so they changed director from KSR to Suresh Krishna) and they were present in all IR non filmi work (HTNI, NBW and IR's books). Other notable film personalities are Manirathnam, Bharathi Raja.

3. IR will not perform any music on the night, but he is okay if other troupes to play his songs

4. The release of the audio which was originally scheduled to be
out on June 26, 2005 might be ready a bit earlier too, depending upon the convenience of all the dignitaries.

5) A 2-episode programme is being planned for Sun TV, which will be
telecasted with a week's duration in between.

6) It is expected that many film / carnatic and hisdustani personalities will participate, this includes Naushat (IR's fan and IR is Naushat's great fan), Hariprasad Chaurasia, Dr BMK, Lataji, SPB, Hariharan, Guitar Prasanna.

Most importantly, the CD will release BEFORE the anticipated Jun 26th!!!


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Pav wrote:
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Pav wrote:
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Hopefully we can get another ARR-IR picture thru this function.


I'd much rather see a IR-Bhavatharini photograph <3 :)

IR-Bhavatharini or Pav-Bhavatharani 8)


you just made my day *sniff* :oops: :thumbs:


isn't Bhavatharani a female tamil singer with a really high voice?


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She has a very childlike voice, and she's IR's daughter.


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yes, thats her! she's got a really cute voice :!: she's got a cartoonish voice, in a non-insulting way :P <3 she has some telugu songs as well. I know a girl that has a similar voice, and my heart melts every single time I hear her voice, too bad she doesn't give a lick boot me :( :oops:


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ahem... watch out, because sometime dreams come true! :lol:

Today is our Maestro Illayaraja's Birthday. May god bless him with happy and long life. My heartfelt wishes to Maestro.

As a token of our appreciation, lets all hear one IR song today (or buy one CD from DU... :twisted: )


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ahem... watch out, because sometime dreams come true! :lol:

Today is our Maestro Illayaraja's Birthday. May god bless him with happy and long life. My heartfelt wishes to Maestro.

As a token of our appreciation, lets all hear one IR song today (or buy one CD from DU... :twisted: )


Du lets have a free shipping sale today and we will give you an order today :lol:


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ahem... watch out, because sometime dreams come true! :lol:

Today is our Maestro Illayaraja's Birthday. May god bless him with happy and long life. My heartfelt wishes to Maestro.

As a token of our appreciation, lets all hear one IR song today (or buy one CD from DU... :twisted: )


"one CD" or one IR CD? :P

"lets all hear one IR song today"
I'm well ahead of you. there is usually not a SINGLE day where I don't listen to IR songs ;) and on this wonderful occasion, I'm going to listen to 62 IR Gems ;)

as far as dreams coming true...well, this dream won't. you know how young most indians get married, the same will happen with her :(

Now Listening to Azhagi - Oliyilae Therivadhu
(I'll take the time to list the different IR songs I listened to today :) )


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