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First impressions from The Digital Bits

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First, the player. The construction of Toshiba's HD-A1 is fairly solid - not as good as my Pioneer Elite DV-59AVi DVD player, for example, but still better than most other entry level players. Setup is very easy and intuitive. I've had trouble with other DVD players in the past - I'm using HDMI to drive a native 1080 LCD video projector, and typically most upscaling DVD players need you to go into the setup menu to activate the HDMI output and upscaling. The HD-A1, however, recognized the HDMI connection right out of the box - there was no need to hook it up to a regular display via component cables and go into the menu screen to turn on the HDMI. The setup menus themselves are very simple and easy to use - very few settings, if any, needed to be changed in order to start viewing the discs.

The player does have a couple of big downsides right off the bat, however. The first is that the remote is absolutely awful. Just really a mess. It's basically the same as the one that's going to be included in the more expensive HD-XA1, except that it's not backlit. BIG mistake. The button labels are impossible to read in the dark, and few of the controls on the remote are intuitively laid out. At least on the cheaper unit, they could have labeled the remote in brighter paint or something. It's a disaster.

The other major downside is the time it takes the player to get into operating mode. When you first turn on the player itself, it takes a full minute to boot up into a usable configuration. You can't even open the disc tray during that time. Very irritating. Once it's ready to go, however, and you insert a disc, it takes about another 30 seconds to boot up the software. Again, very irritating. Still, it's worth noting that this is the kind of thing that's only going to get better as newer firmware becomes available, and as second and third generations of hardware hit the market.

Speaking of firmware, the player is designed so that you can connect it to the Net via a standard broadband LAN port, which will allow you to make fast and easy firmware upgrades to the hardware... and I suspect there's going to be a lot of them needed to add full interactivity and functionality.

In terms of backwards compatibility, the player seems to handle existing DVDs and CDs well. Its upconversion of standard definition DVD video is quite good, but still not quite as good as my Pioneer DV-59AVi, at least on first impression. I haven't really had the time to test and compare this in any kind of depth, however, so don't take that as gospel. I'll let you know more when I do.

Now for the software. Universal's Serenity is basically a port of the existing DVD release, simply with the film in high-definition video and Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 audio. No offense to Joss Whedon fans, but I do sorely wish the first title I'd watched on HD-DVD was something other than this film. Still, the picture quality is absolutely spectacular - vibrant color, fantastic contrast and VERY few compression or processing artifacts (and if you watch a lot of broadcast HD video, you've no doubt seen a lot of those). It's just utterly clean and clear without being too crisp or edgy - a very natural looking and extremely pleasing image. I knew it was going to be impressive, but I'm still surprised at the sheer improvement over regular DVD, at least when viewed in a very large projection format. You notice so much more of the characteristics of the actual film medium rather than any kind of video aspects, which is as it should be. Warner's The Last Samurai is equally impressive in terms of video, though I haven't watched Phantom of the Opera yet (again, not a title I would have chosen to release first on HD-DVD, but what the hell).

The Dolby Digital Plus audio quality on these discs is also stellar, though again I have yet to Phantom of the Opera (which has Dolby TrueHD). The Plus audio is lovely - easily on par with the best DTS tracks I've listened to. In terms of the overall audio quality and experience, you wonder just how much better Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD could possibly sound... and how most people are going to possibly be able to appreciate the difference. I'll have more on this tomorrow, after I've had the time to check out the 2.0 TrueHD the Tosh player will allow on Phantom.

It's worth noting that, like current DVD discs, Serenity has a film-themed root menu. Hitting the 'menu' button on your remote takes you back out to that root menu where you can access all the features and options. Warner's discs, however, do NOT have any kind of root menu. When you start playing them, they simply go right into the movie. Hitting the 'menu' button brings up a menu overlay while the movie continues to play, from which you can select all of the various features via pop-up/sliding menus. It's very similar to how the start/program bar works in Windows XP, except that the look of the bar is themed to the film itself. I do, however, wish the discs had a main menu. Maybe it's just that I've gotten used to the way standard DVD works, but not to be able to pop out to a main menu seems... wrong somehow. Some combination of the way Universal's menus work, and the new menu overlay, would seem to be optimal. The extras I've seen so far are all in standard definition (and they're not anamorphic widescreen either), but I've only really dug through Serenity so far. I will tell you, however, that it's jarring to see the difference in quality going from well-compressed HD video to less well-compressed standard definition video.

One other irritating thing I've discovered about the hardware when playing the discs, is that when you change audio tracks on the fly, there's no on-screen graphic that notes what language you're changing to. So you can't tell what language you're in until someone starts speaking. The 'display' button does bring up a nice read-out of the audio format you're listening to, and what the particular codec and resolution of the video is, but there's still no language indication.

I should also tell you that Warner's discs boot into a little promo video for the format, that explains how the discs work (how to use the menu overlay, etc). Thankfully, you can skip past it. Warner's discs also include a promotional flyer touting some 50 titles that are coming for Summer 2006 to the format from the studio, including The Matrix, Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines, Full Metal Jacket, The Perfect Storm, The Shawshank Redemption, Batman Begins, Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, Troy and The Dukes of Hazzard: Unrated.


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and Software $20 a piece 8) Why would u buy every ZEROS CRAPOLAS FOR $20 plus


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Some DVD versus HD-DVD pics here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthre ... ge=2&pp=30

HD-DVD is paused and half vertical resolution (540 lines).


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Any HD DVD or Blue Ray DVD made it to retail ??

Release dates for region 1 are:

HD-DVD:

April 18 (Are they out ??)
Million $ Baby
Phantom Of Opera
Twister

May 9:
Blazing Saddles
Dukes of Hazzards
Full Metal Jacket
Rumor Has It
Terminator 3

May 16:
Charlie & Choc Factory
The Green Mile
Ocean's Twelve
Troy
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Blue Ray:

May 23
5th Element
Hitch
House Of Flying Daggers
Knight's Tale
The Last Waltz
Resident Evil

June 13:
Kung Fu Hussle
Legends Of The Fall
Robocop
Stealth
Spececies
SWAT
Terminator

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Any indian DVDs announced for HD-DVD or for Blue Ray ??

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Blue Ray Flyer says, content will be 1080P ?? True or False ??


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rana wrote:
Any HD DVD or Blue Ray DVD made it to retail ??

HD-DVD:
April 18 (Are they out ??)
Million $ Baby
Phantom Of Opera
Twister

The following movies have been released to retail on HD-DVD.
    Released April 18
    Million Dollar Baby
    Phantom Of The Opera
    The Last Samurai
    Serenity
    Apollo 13
    Doom: Unrated Extended Edition

    Released May 02
    GoodFellas
    Swordfish

rana wrote:
Any indian DVDs announced for HD-DVD or for Blue Ray ??

That would be "Any Indian movies anounced for HD-DVDs or for Blu-Ray discs"

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Blue Ray Flyer says, content will be 1080P ?? True or False ??

Yes Sony has time and again said that all their Blu-Ray discs will be encoded in 1080p. In fact the Warner HD-DVDs released so far also encoded in 1080p but the Toshiba HD-DVD players being sold can only output 1080i. Blu-Ray players on the other hand will al output 1080p from day one.

GO BLU-RAY!


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Sanjay wrote:
Blu-Ray players on the other hand will al output 1080p from day one.
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But isn't it the case that most displays on sale at the moment cannot accept 1080p signal? I know they have been quite a few announced and most people tend to respond by saying by the time Blu-ray movies come out they’ll be displays that will accept native 1080p – but that will also apply to HD-DVD players too.

I’m not convinced one format is better than the other, at the moment. Sony is all about hype, anyone who follows game sector already knows this, they promise loads of thing yet don’t deliver when the product actually hits the selves. Anyone remember how the PS2’s ‘emotion engine’ hype and how it can render Toy Story in real-time? :lol:

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..ps 3 more titles are out on HD-DVD too;

Swordfish
GoodFellas
Doom

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ali wrote:
But isn't it the case that most displays on sale at the moment cannot accept 1080p signal? I know they have been quite a few announced and most people tend to respond by saying by the time Blu-ray movies come out they’ll be displays that will accept native 1080p – but that will also apply to HD-DVD players too.
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It is true that not too many people have displays that can accept 1080p signals, but atleast with Blu-Ray you have some protection against obsolence. That is to say atleast the player will still hold good when people do buy new displays with 1080p inputs whereas in the case of the initial HD-DVD players, they are already obsolete and would have to be dumped or else one would have to live with 1080i.

Personally I feel very strongly in favor of Blu-Ray since it is by far the better technology whereas HD-DVD is just an extension of a technology that is already obsolete. Were it not for their greed and vested interests even Toshiba, Microsoft & HP would admit that Blu-Ray is a superior format.

PS: Why is the "Quote" function not working for me. Actually it works when there is no name but when a name is attached to the Quote syntax it no longer works. :(


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Sanjay wrote:
... Blu-Ray since it is by far the better technology whereas HD-DVD is just an extension of a technology that is already obsolete...:(


why do you say that hd-dvd is using obsolete technology, b/c if look at it then blu-ray is not using very new technology either...depending on what you are talking about

i personally also like the blu-ray, but so far only b/c of 25 GB storage on single layer, but nothing else so far in blu-ray is better or more advance than hd-dvd

blu-ray: newer manufacturing tech for the disk development, but they initially want to encode the video using older (obsolete) tech, MPEG-2

hd-dvd: using modified older tech to manufacture disks but using newer tech to encode the video, i am not sure what they are using right now but i think they are not using MPEG-2

(please correct me if i am wrong)

as far as greed is concerned, sony does not like paying toshiba the royalty fees for using current dvds, but they instead want to collect royalty fees, sony could not get the royalty fees before in betamax, they had to pay jvc, then came the dvd, toshiba collected those, but this time sony wants the royalties even if they have to share...
so he greed exist on both sides, which is the driving force to get high definition dvd get going

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dvd_pankhaa wrote:
i personally also like the blu-ray, but so far only b/c of 25 GB storage on single layer, but nothing else so far in blu-ray is better or more advance than hd-dvd

blu-ray: newer manufacturing tech for the disk development, but they initially want to encode the video using older (obsolete) tech, MPEG-2

hd-dvd: using modified older tech to manufacture disks but using newer tech to encode the video, i am not sure what they are using right now but i think they are not using MPEG-2...

The storage capacity limits of HD-DVD has already been reached and tops out at 30GB on two layers. Whereas Blu-Ray has already demonstrated disks with a 100GB capacity and the potential to have disks with a capacity of over 200GB within a year or two. Blu-Ray also uses version of Java that is far superior to the Intel/HP developed technology.

As far as codecs are concerned both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray have support for MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC, and VC-1 as part of the standard. While HD-DVD has no choice but to use the newer MPEG-4 AVC or VC-1 because of it's smaller data capacity Blu-Ray has no such limitation due to its higher data capacity. Th ereason why Blu-Ray has decided to use MPEG2 in it's initial software releases is that first of all due to it's greater data capacity has no need for the advanced compression schemes. On the other hand MPEG2 is a tried and tested codec and is working wonderfully for the current Digital HDTV in the US. Whereas VC-1 and MPEG4-AVC are untried and untested codecs so when there is no benifit or need to using them in Blu-Ray, why use it? If and when the need arrises in future software releases, Blu-Ray can switch over to using whichever codec is required. The hardware right from the very first players will support all codecs anyhow.

You are right about both sides being greedy and wanting to make money, but the fact is that HD-DVD makes money for Toshiba, Intel/HP & Microsoft at the expense of the consumer being saddled with a technology which which is already outdated and thus will not survive as long as Blu-Ray could. With Blu-Ray and it's far greater data capacity even future higher definition standards could be supported, which is not the case with HD-DVD.


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Is the ‘newer technology is better’ argument being used just for capacity? I mean how reliable & durable are these new medias going to be? I guess no one is going answer that question because no ones knows – time is going to a test for that.

As for capacity – Blu-ray is the winner on all fronts on this, it’s been demonstrated that 100 GB discs are possible while Toshiba has demonstrated 45 GB are possible with HD-DVD. Again these capacities will rise as time goes on and technology improves. All well and good, but how much capacity is required to for 1080p video and hi-quality audio encodes? Just a quick search from various internet posts of movies – these are WMV encodes with various audio tracks;

Die Another Day 1080p DTS 8GB
5th Element 1080p DD5.1 12GB
Casper 1080p DTS 16GB
Back to the Future 1080p DD5.1 10GB
one episode of Band of Brothers 1080P DTS between 6GB & 9GB

..couldn’t find the extract figure of Lord of the Rings but I remember that being somewhere around 20GB mark which was 1080p DTS & 208 min version.

Bear in mind that these are WMV encodes but it still gives some indication of storage capacity requirements for hi-def movies. Also note that all HD-DVD movies on release are already are 1080p. So where exactly is the extra capacity on HD-DVD or Blu-ray disc going to be used for? There's no point having all this extra capacity is there isn’t a requirement for it!

I reckon the real take off for hi-def movies is going to happen when dual Blu-Ray & HD-DVD players hit the market – first wave of players will support one format only, next wave will support both formats – then just pick the movies you want on which ever format you prefer.

I don’t reckon people are going to be able to tell the difference between video encodes on HD-DVD and Blu-ray!

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In Blue Ray flyer I noticed that despite initial "must requirement" of copy protection, none of HD DVDs or Blue Ray DVDs are incorporating Copy Protection so far. They say, it's (illegal copying) not a problem yet and they might start using copy protection (highly unlikely) if illegal copying does become a problem in future.


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Sony Delays Blu-ray Software Titles to Coincide With Delayed Player Release Dates
date: May 4, 2006
by: Bryan Dailey

While early HD-DVD adopters who have picked up their copies of discs such as “Goodfellas,” “The Last Samurai” and “The Phantom of the Opera” scour the globe for players that are harder to find than the Xbox 360 during Christmas of 2005, Sony’s Blu-ray format has hit its own speed bump.

It was just announced that the arrival of the first titles of the Blu-ray disc format has been pushed back by a month until June 20. Sony Pictures Home Entertainment president Benjamin Feingold said his studio's first batch of Blu-ray releases will be ready May 23, as planned. However, their retailers and hardware partners have asked them to delay the release.

This brings to mind the famous “What comes, first, the chicken or the egg?” debate. Consumers want to know there will be a nice batch of titles available before purchasing a player, but hardware manufacturers don’t want to release players until they know that they are going to work properly and there are going to be enough titles to drive consumer demand.

Samsung, for example, is a month behind with the release of their Blu-ray player, recently announcing that it would be in stores June 25. With the amount of delays from both formats, consumers at some point will stop holding their collective breathes. HD-DVD discs are now readily available in stores, but after calling several BestBuy, CompUSA and Circuit City locations in southern California to find an HD-DVD player to buy, it became quickly apparent that even the store managers have no real idea when they expect to actually receive the hardware.

An order for a Toshiba HD-DVD player from Amazon.com placed last week yields an estimated delivery date of June 7-23, 2006. This 16-day window is over a month away at this point. In other words, even online giant Amazon.com doesn’t know when they will be getting players.

Feingold said the first eight Blu-ray Disc titles from Sony will not ship until just before Samsung’s Blu-ray player is scheduled to be in stores on June 25. Feingold say this is being done so there is a more clear-cut launch period for Blu-ray, unlike the very disjoined HD-DVD launch that has been frustrating and confusing for consumers. Blu-ray should see title sales spike with the release of Sony’s Playstation 3, which starts hitting the stores in late fall, just in time for the 2006 holiday season.

The first batch of Blu-ray disc titles from Warner Home Video are expected to arrive in stores around the same time, although Warner has not given an official statement as to their release date.

The Sony Blu-ray disc titles that are now slated to arrive in stores June 20 are "Underworld: Evolution" (arriving the same day as the DVD), "50 First Dates," "The Fifth Element," "Hitch," "House of Flying Daggers," "A Knight's Tale," "The Last Waltz," "Resident Evil Apocalypse" and "XXX."

Source: Reuters/Hollywood Reporter


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Sony has shipped recordable 25GB Blu-ray discs;

http://www.engadget.com/2006/05/05/sony ... e-in-june/

50GB to follow in June. $20 per disc for the single-layer version and $48 for the 50GB discs :o

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Samsungs 1080p LED DLPs TVs @ $2500 :shock:

http://www.hdbeat.com/2006/05/05/samsun ... hl-s5679w/

..coming soon of course :x

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