We were watching the DVD when we noticed that a complete scene was missing. The scene I am talking about is the one immediately after Jackie Shroff shoots Abhishek Bachchan (on the border) --- After shooting him, Jackie and his soldiers return to the village to search for the man they had shot. They visit the village chief's house where Reena Roy explains that the bloodstains are because her finger is cut. All these scenes are missing from the DVD!!!

I then checked the DVD case and the information on the Yash Raj web site: both say that the REFUGEE DVD is 207 minutes long. However, the DVD that Yash Raj sent me is only 189 minutes long!! Nearly 20 minutes of the movie is missing from the DVD.

http://www1.yashrajfilms.com/homeent/refugee.htm

REFUGEE -- YRF DVD cut; GOLD DVD full-but-cropped

I have a pirate of this movie which I grabbed and luckily still have, picture is good, interlaced though, and I believe its the complete movie. I remember seeing that scene in the movie. I will double check it, see if I can post screen shots and the dvd movie length.

This was discussed before though

I vaguely remember seeing that scene, in orig release, that I thought was progressive?

http://zulm.net/modules.php?op=modload& ... e=&order=0

Deep, May I ask, chapter location of that scene, perticularly, because I have one of very orig release copy on GOLD media!!

So, will double check for you.

DVD also has making etc featyres for about 30 minutes or so!!

ok here are screenshots of my pirate dvd and my dvd is 3hrs 21mins:

Original was way better miyan, even if incomplete?..apne raana sahab ko poori film dekhna hai!

The original might be better but this is the complete film and the is good enough for me since I have watched since its release I might give it a run now though since I pulled it out for the screenshots ..

Please pick up screen shots from above mentioned controversial scene originally described by newdeep!
thnx

Total Time Diff = 10 min.

1) The scene that Newdeep described above counts for 3 min 30 sec.
(This sequence in more complete version looks illogical though. i.e. they show Abhishek arrives at village first. After Jackie is gone, they show Abhishek stumbling in fron t of Baba's cave where Baba offers to treat him with Jadi Booties. When Abhishek is unable to walk, why would he go to Baba cave un-assisted??)
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2) Next scene missing is just after the Jackie-Shetty meet. YRF version has Jackie checking into his village, missing. This counts for 3 min 30 sec to 4:00 min.
(In this sequence, the more intense cofrontation between Military Officer and Kulbhushan Kharbanda is incuded and a moderate routine Jacki check is excluded in the shorter version. In the longer version, both Jackie check and Shetty check are included.)
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Remainder difference of 4 min 30 sec is after 2 hrs 15 min mark of YRF version.
(Having difficulties reading disc and hence have to stop here till prob fixed).

All of you guys -- thx and good job! (Someone PM me where I can get a copy of the "complete version.")

I wrote to Yash Raj (holding them accountable for piracy) and below is an excerpt from the communication:

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-----Original Message-----
From: Yash Raj Films Helpdesk
Subject: <<Regarding missing scenes in REFUGEE DVD>>

Dear Mr. Singh,

This is regarding your online order with http://www.yashrajfilms.com, a copy of
which is reproduced below at the end of this email. Although we
understand ALL your points, we'd request you to kindly understand our
perspective as well in the right spirit.

Please note that (as already communicated to you over the phone
personally), we were compelled to replicate this REFUGEE DVD from the
best possible source, as made available to us by the original producer
of the film. Unfortunately, the producers had decided to append the film
and reduce its length after its release and this was the source made
available to us for replication of this particular title. With reference
to the other version of this film you've mentioned about, this could be
a pirated version, since we have not released any other version of this
DVD, except the one which was delivered to you through your online order
placed with http://www.yashrajfilms.com

We at Yash Raj Films aim to give to our valued customers, films of the
by-gone era in the best possible quality which can be treasured forever.
But however sometimes the movie itself has to take precedence over the
quality and our aim at such times is to ensure that the movie comes out
to the best possible standards in the given circumstances. We hope
you'll appreciate this and also understand that we've done our best to
ensure that we come out with the best possible product, which can be
treasured by the cinema lovers for a long time to come. We regret that
you've not enjoyed this purchase of our product; however we look forward
to your continued patronage.

However, if you would like to return this title, as per our Returns
Policy, you will have to send the original DVD back to our office and we
will arrange a refund by passing a credit request on your card.

Thanks again for shopping online with http://www.yashrajfilms.com and Yash Raj
Films looks forward to a long and enduring relationship with you.

With Warm Regards,
Yash Raj Films Helpdesk
mailto:helpdesk@yashrajfilms.com

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To: mailto:helpdesk@yashrajfilms.com;
Subject: RE: update: Refugee DVD is Missing Scenes

Subject: YASH RAJ responsible for piracy
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Dear YashRajFilms,
Thanks, I'll wait for your reply.
I regularly buy DVDs from around the world - Japan, Korea, U.K., U.S., Australia, and Hong Kong, and am a firm believer in "original" and "genuine" prints. I hate piracy and do my bit to educate people about piracy.
However, if original prints do not contain "complete versions" of the movies, then your customers will have no option but to buy pirated prints that are complete. So, academically, I hold Yash Raj DVDs responsible for contributing to piracy of REFUGEE. (People on web forums have said that they went for pirated versions because the full version was not offered by Yash Raj.)
You really must discuss this with both Mr. J.P. Dutta, your U.S. DVD author, and the management at Yash Raj.
Thank you,
Deepinder

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-----Original Message-----
From: Yash Raj Films Helpdesk
Subject: RE: update: Refugee DVD is Missing Scenes

Dear Deepinder,

We are looking into this case, and shall get back to you once we get
more details on this front.

With Regards,
Yash Raj Films Helpdesk

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On Saturday 10-Dec, two satellite T.V. stations telecast the full length REFUGEE --- Star One and Star Gold.

(This included an additional scene where Jackie and BSF inspect the Rann terrain to find footsteps going towards Pak but not coming back. They then lay a trap. This happens before Jackie shoots Abhishek.)

GOLD has released REFUGEE DVD in India... it appears to be the uncut version! I bought a copy

Video Transfer - Average quality; Non-anamorphic & slightly cropped

Audio - Very good 5.1 Dolby Digital

Subtitles - English

Format - NTSC

Runtime - 199 minutes NTSC (seems to be from a PAL master); Has all the scenes missing from the YRF DVD.

MRP - Rs.299

The alternate/ pirate/ extended version mentioned in this thread earlier is 201 min and is not speed up 4% (PAL to NTSC). So, Gold version if really 199 min is either film to NTSC or if speed up 4%, then it's extra 6 min not seen before in any of the versions before??

IMDB says Refugee theatrical runtime is 207 minutes.

BBFC says the same for the theatrical runtime - 207 minutes & 26 secs (2 second "headbutt" cut).

BBFC also says that the PAL DVD in U.K. is 193 minutes & 2 secs. This is clearly LESS THAN a 4% speedup on 207 minutes...

A speedup version of 207 minutes should be close to 200 minutes -- interestingly, both Gold and the pirate have this runtime.

Additionally,

I carefully saw the censor certificate for Refugee -- nowhere does it says "cinemascope" -- does that mean that J.P. Dutta originally intended this to be a full-frame (1.33:1) screening?

I watched the film carefully too -- and yes, there are scenes where you feel that heads are chopped off (from the display) unnecessarily).

What do you say?