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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2003 6:24 pm 
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DVD review up here...

http://www.zulm.net/modules....thold=0

... thanks again to Michel Hafner for providing the review and screen shots.

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"Ritwik Ghatak's masterpiece Meghe Dhaka Tara (1960) has been released by the British Film Institute on this DVD.

The film master(s) used is/are mostly in good condition.

The DVD is mastered in video mode at 60i with field averaging."




British Film Institute doesn't lack resources or state of the art equipment. I'm sure they are very competent. Then, why this field averaging, unless there is a reason to it and is done intentionally. I wonder why??

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rana wrote:
I'm sure they are very competent.

Do you know them? ???

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Sorry, I don't know them.

But, the prestige of British Film Institute is at stake. I'm sure they are competent. That's why I'm wondering, what's the reason for Field Averaging?? Why does Cine-tel transfer have an option for Field Averaging. There must be some advantage, at least to the technicians, to Field Averaging.

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rana wrote:
Sorry, I don't know them.

But, the prestige of British Film Institute is at stake. I'm sure they are competent. That's why I'm wondering, what's the reason for Field Averaging?? Why does Cine-tel transfer have an option for Field Averaging. There must be some advantage, at least to the technicians, to Field Averaging.

Rana

BFI has no reputation for knowing about video mastering
details. Neither do other film archives. They should know
about film preservation, but video and film are quite
different animals.
Probably the DVD is transcoded from PAL and that's why
it has field averaging.
Field averaging produces a somewhat smeared and softer
picture compared to 2:3 pulldown. If not watched
progressively some people could prefer that look to
some more interlace artifacts visible. Maybe it was
no conscious decision on their part at all. Who knows.
I mailed them about it. They did not bother to reply.
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mhafner wrote:
Probably the DVD is transcoded from PAL and that's why
it has field averaging.

Could the Film to PAL Cine-tel be Field Averaged??

Consider EVP's Pyar Hi Pyar, Pyar Ki Kahani etc (half of EVP Hindi DVDs are like this). They are 4% speed shifted and yet after going through 50 Hz to 60 Hz conversion, film frames stay in tact and are not Field Averaged.

So, if Film to PAL Cine-tel conversion is correct, then there still is a hope that its PAL DVD will not be field averaged.

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DVD Beaver Review

Ghatak's films have been allowed to deteriorate but the master used here is in very good condition. Despite the slight damage that shows up more prominently in the last 10 minutes of the film (but is still negligible), this is a fine release from BFI. Contrast does fluctuate occasionally, but the image has some strikingly sharp moments. The subtitles ate wonderfully clear, unobtrusive and removable. Audio is a shade inconsistent, but still acceptable and the Derek Malcolm intro is good fodder for understanding this complex filmmaker and this astonishing film. Bravo to BFI for bringing this out, most likely knowing it would not be a blockbuster on the spreadsheets. This is a great film and they have treated it with respect and admiration. I give an enthusiastic thumbs up!

The review and the images don't match up. The screenshots are soft and a little fuzzy.
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DragunR2 wrote:
DVD Beaver Review

Ghatak's films have been allowed to deteriorate but the master used here is in very good condition. Despite the slight damage that shows up more prominently in the last 10 minutes of the film (but is still negligible), this is a fine release from BFI. Contrast does fluctuate occasionally, but the image has some strikingly sharp moments. The subtitles ate wonderfully clear, unobtrusive and removable. Audio is a shade inconsistent, but still acceptable and the Derek Malcolm intro is good fodder for understanding this complex filmmaker and this astonishing film. Bravo to BFI for bringing this out, most likely knowing it would not be a blockbuster on the spreadsheets. This is a great film and they have treated it with respect and admiration. I give an enthusiastic thumbs up!

The review and the images don't match up. The screenshots are soft and a little fuzzy.


As mentioned above, it's PAL to NTSC converted Field Averaged. Soft and Fuzzy pic is typical of Field Averaging as all of the fields/ frames are fuzzy as per definition.
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