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Aryan
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This is the link from which I have taken these excerpts. You may wish to read the entire article:
http://www.studio-systems.com/audiofe....m

Sync Sound it seems will not enrapture Bollywood. The sync sound school believes the natural sound environment effects surpasses the contribution of surround sound mixing.
Bollywood caught up entirely in love stories may not presently feel the need for sync sound. This attitude could probably be a mistake. With the good sync sound, a complimentary surround sound mix will only bring about a discernable improvement in the soundtrack quality of Indian Cinema.
With Hollywood totally producing in sync sound and Indian Cinema increasingly dependent on the NRI market, sync sound will necessarily become popular. A new breed of professional and confident Sound Designers is what the sound recording industry needs.

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There’s a lot of noise on an Indian set, which wasn’t there on other sets. When you look at a set abroad it is much more disciplined. Unfortunately Mukul died shortly after we got back and ‘Dus’ never got finished. Only the music album was released. I mixed that music album but I did not even get a credit on that

Our medic had been a boom operator also, so she boomed for me in a couple of scenes. There you have to have a medic (a nurse) on set. Well its just safety precaution, which I think they should start following in India. That I think is a big issue, which is not happening here.

NK: I think ‘Bhopal Express’ was the first time I got credit as a sound designer, because it was literally merging all the elements together. Not as a final mix engineer, but just keeping all the elements there and keeping the elements which I wanted in the film, (including silence) which I think plays a huge part. Aamir had just finished doing ‘Earth’ and he was convinced that sync sound was the way to go.
SS: Why? Did ‘Earth’ have some of the sync sound effects?
NK: Yes. They did sync sound in ‘Earth’. People had been doing it. ‘Salaam Bombay’ had it. Mira Nair and Deepa Mehta both did it but they were all foreign crews, which worked on the films. I think at that time Ashwin Balsaver was doing sound for Shyam Benegal.

NK: One of the team members working on ‘Bhopal Express’ was Zoya Akhtar, whose brother is Farhan Akhtar who said, "When I do a film, will you do the sound on it?" And that’s how ‘Dil Chahta Hai’ happened. Farhan had got in touch with Aamir for a role in ‘Dil Chahta Hai’, just when ‘Lagaan’ was happening. Farhan asked Aamir what his opinion was about doing the movie in sync sound and then he mentioned my name. And Aamir said, "Oh I didn’t know that there is a guy here who does sync sound."

You were telling me the other day, about how the actors threw a fit the first time when they heard, sync sound?
NK: Not with ‘Lagaan’. That was with ‘Dil Chahta Hai’. With ‘Lagaan’ a lot of the actors were from theatre and when they heard sync sound they said "Yeh Kya hota hai" and I said like basically you wont need to dub and they were ecstatic, because being theatre actors, they loved the idea of being able to push it out and not having to do it again because for them it is almost impossible. Because it’s a performance, because you emote and you capture it and you can never do it in a dark room with a microphone and where you are alone and there is no interaction with other actors. That’s what dubbing is and it is extremely cold. You do not get the realism, which you get when you are shooting sync sound and which has worked in both these films Sub-consciously without people realizing what it is, it has made a big difference to films.

To me, sound design is something that will take you into the film. It shouldn’t overpower the visuals ever. And I think that is what unfortunately has been happening with a lot of our films. Firstly it’s so loud and the sound effects are so loud and crass that it sticks out and it draws attention.
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Few things annoy me more than seeing people talking outdoors or inside a cavernous, echoey house while hearing the cold, clinical sound of a dub track. Or hearing that outdoors and indoors have the exact same (i.e., none) ambient sound. Sync sound and enveloping surround tracks are not mutually exclusive. Just listen to Hollywood films, many of which excel at creating sound environments. I would imagine that sync sound will be slow to enter the South because so many of the heroines are from the North.
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Sync sound is probably easier to do if filmmakers get a hang of it. The main problem is India has no sound recordist of Nakul Kamte's calibre and I think Kaante was done by an angrez guy...saathiya I forgot who did it. No credit to Sanjay Gupta though since he only had a Hollywood fixation- I don't think he cares much about quality...
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Still, Kaante had great location sound. Saathiya's sync sound recording is credited to a Robert Taylor while the overall mix is by H. Sridhar.
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It's more harder to do location sound in India. Saathiya's scenes had too many crows and rickshaw, car horns. I mean 'Quiet on the set' doesn't actually works in India.

But they got to try harder.
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[It's more harder to do location sound in India. Saathiya's scenes had too many crows and rickshaw, car horns. I mean 'Quiet on the set' doesn't actually works in India.

But they got to try harder. ]

People, if u have seen Saathiya dvd!!? Rani's first diologues with her mom, where she accounts her older daughter to be better than rani in some aspects, see, echo/holophonic character to that entire shot? I am not sure, if that shot was in the film like that too?

If so, then THX certification, to sound is MUTE point imho!
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Shahran Sunny Audit
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Synch Sound has its problems in Indian cinema, even in films like Dil Chatha Hai and Lagaan some wordings weren't as audible as it should be. It will take some time to achieve the level that other cinemas around the world have at present. But I feel Indian cinema isn't the worse when it comes to Synch sound. Some recent Cantonesse and Russian films have awful synch capturing and recording.
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Aryan
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Arsh, you noticed that too. That scene obviously has a problem with the miking and yes, it was even worse in the cinema (in Dolby Stereo SR). I think the location sound recordist is a newcomer. There is another scene which I am puzzled about, because this time, it is the sound editing which has a problem, and this is in H. Sridhar's hands. (the DVD isn't with me right now, so I can't quote the exact location) In this scene, the picture cuts between Vivek and Rani and the ambience cuts along with the shots, even though there is no dialogue. It appears to be a technical mistake.

THX certification is given to the studio that mixed the film, which in turn gets the film THX certified it seems. However, Media Artistes should also raise their own personal standards and not allow such mistakes in films they do. Or if they find the source material to fall below standards, they should advice the filmmakers to dub scenes with bad location sound.



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Aryan
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Shahran Sunny Audit Posted on April 20 2003,15:33
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Synch Sound has its problems in Indian cinema, even in films like Dil Chatha Hai and Lagaan some wordings weren't as audible as it should be. It will take some time to achieve the level that other cinemas around the world have at present. But I feel Indian cinema isn't the worse when it comes to Synch sound. Some recent Cantonesse and Russian films have awful synch capturing and recording.


IMO, Dil Chahta Hai and Lagaan both have relatively professional location sound recording. In sync sound, the dynamic differences between, say, a person talking, and an airplane landing are closer to reality than in a dubbed movie (like The Hero) where the actors sound way louder than the helicopters. Of course, dubbing can emulate this, but Indian filmmakers who are interested in the sound of their films, shoot the film in sync in the first place. And as such you'd think there is a 'problem' with the recording. Maniratnam dubs his film, but also creates artificial depth and volume changes in the ADR to emulate sync sound recording, as does Vidhu Vinod Chopra (partial sync sound).

Lagaan and DCH's dynamic changes between dialogue and music and sound effects is akin to that of Hollywood films, and the Indian audience may find the subtlety a bit strange.
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Aryan wrote:
There is another scene which I am puzzled about, because this time, it is the sound editing which has a problem, and this is in H. Sridhar's hands. (the DVD isn't with me right now, so I can't quote the exact location) In this scene, the picture cuts between Vivek and Rani and the ambience cuts along with the shots, even though there is no dialogue. It appears to be a technical mistake.

aryan, i just watched the movie again (just to catch this little problem of course :rolleyes: ) and i didn't hear anything funny. can you give some more details about the scene (first half, second half, location etc.)?
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I think, Bollywood Hollywood was sync sound too, had quite a bit prob, in diologue volume in first half!!
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Of course Bollywood Hollywood was in sync sound. It isn't an Indian film. And all Deepa Mehta's films are in sync sound. You might want to know that it is indirectly because of her that Indians films are returning to sync sound. Aamir Khan fell in love with sync sound on the sets of her Earth 1947.

I didn't notice any problems in the dialogues in Bollywood Hollywood.
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Aryan, you can add another film done by Nakul Kamte in sync sound...Bas Yun Hi.
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I think, sync sound is best, if properly recorded, to keep mood of the actor while speaking, emoting in sync!

K3g climax with AB slapping, lovingly SRK was done in sync sound with special request from AB!
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Mission Kashmir is also done partly in sync sound-especially the indoor scenes by Nakul Kamte
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