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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2003 8:55 pm 
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Field Averaged transfers:

Can they be good??

May Be.

Field Averaged transfer is where different frame rates of one system into another frame rate is achieved by spreading the information equally. Frames/ Fields are not repeated or skipped to take care of the different frame rates.

Other, more accepted method is where Frames/ Fields are repeated or skipped, some original picture frames/ fields are flashed for a longer time than the others. OUR EYES DO THE AVERAGING.

Field Averaging is good in principle as the motion appears smooth, but quality of transfer depends how good a code is used for creating the extra fields. If done perfactly, it can give brand new and distinct 30 frames (for NTSC) from a 24 frame input.
This is what I noticed recently in one such old transfer using different routines/ equipment:

Back in the mid 80s, I got one PAL tape of 'MOVIE MAHAL' transferred into NTSC and paid the regular $15 for a 2 hour transfer to a local (Toronto) shop. I liked the program a lot and hence I gave it to a Professional lab for another transfer. They charged me close to $ 60. It was worth it, as the lab equipment was really expensive. Be it Monitor or player or recorder or signal processor, nothing was less than $20,000. Result was an excellent transfer.

Recently, when I started taking interest in Interlaced vs Progressive vs Pseudo-prog, I wanted to find out the difference in the two transfers.
Here is what I found:

Cheap transfer was OK and every 6th field was a repeated field as normal for a PAL to NTSC transfer. PQ was OK.

The expensive transfer had no repeated fields. 50 distinct fields had been successfully changed into 60 distinct fields. Surprise was that they were all sharp, no blurring or multi-images. They successfully created extra images that were also sharp. I don't know what kind of calculations/ interpolation algorithm will make more, distinct and sharp, pictures than the source, but it was done. Of course, the resulting PQ was excellent. This is a good example of field averaging.

The kind of field averaging we have been witnessing in Indian DVDs is extremely blurry and/ or has multi-images. These blurry fields or fields with multi-images is OK for moving images but the pic is not that sharp. In Still Frame, the truth comes out and you don't believe that a picture can be that bad.

Rana




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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2003 8:47 am 
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rana wrote:
Recently, when I started taking interest in Interlaced vs Progressive vs Pseudo-prog, I wanted to find out the difference in the two transfers.
Here is what I found:

Cheap transfer was OK and every 6th field was a repeated field as normal for a PAL to NTSC transfer. PQ was OK.

The expensive transfer had no repeated fields. 50 distinct fields had been successfully changed into 60 distinct fields. Surprise was that they were all sharp, no blurring or multi-images. They successfully created extra images that were also sharp. I don't know what kind of calculations/ interpolation algorithm will make more, distinct and sharp, pictures than the source, but it was done. Of course, the resulting PQ was excellent. This is a good example of field averaging.

There are no methods to create 60 fields out of 50/48
without adding motion artifacts unless it's something like
an inversible pulldown. As soon as you mix old fields or
create new ones from interpolation there are motion
artifacts. Real life pictures are too complex to do perfect
motion estmation which is required for artifact free
interpolations.


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[The kind of field averaging we have been witnessing in Indian DVDs is extremely blurry and/ or has multi-images. These blurry fields or fields with multi-images is OK for moving images but the pic is not that sharp. In Still Frame, the truth comes out and you don't believe that a picture can be that bad.]

I agree!! Field averaging/true interlaced is a literal MESS transfer, blurry, overlap, extreme combing, and extremely blurry fast motion!


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