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ali
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Thanks to Bhaskar here are shots of the Sholay DVD released by Ultra;

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Ultra? If these shots are representative I'd say ultra
bad. Ultra stay away. Ultra joke.
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I used to have the Ultra VCD of Sholay - looks like this DVD is just a blown up version of the VCD.

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Must give cfredit for one good feature of this DVD/ VCD.

If anyone noticed, the AR is the Theatrical Aspect Ratio.
Remember, EROS DVD is 4:3.

Cut top and bottom of the original 4:3 picture and you have the Theatrical Aspect Ratio of 2.35:1.

Cut the 4:3 picture further from sides as well, and you have the otherwise superior EROS-DEI's 1.85:1 version.

So, credit for the Video in Theatrical Aspect Ratio goes to this Ultra version.

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ali
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Also from the resolution (704x576) this looks like a PAL encoded DVD.

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No big shakes! Still DEI way to go!
BTW! I saw Ultra version SAUDAGAR in store!
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rana
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ali wrote:
Also from the resolution (704x576) this looks like a PAL encoded DVD.

Ali :baaa:

So, thats the PAL resolution. 704 x 576.

Is the NTSC res 720 x 480 ??

I guess this resolution info you get is from Power DVD or from imaging software??

What resolution info do you get for a PAL to NTSC transferred DVD?? I guess the pic is converted to 720 x 480 res and that is what you get for the resolution info??

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arsh wrote:
No big shakes! Still DEI way to go!
BTW! I saw Ultra version SAUDAGAR in store!

Ghai version or the old one with Amitabh?
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It is Subash Ghai version, same released by SHEMAROO!
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From the DVD Faq, allowable picture resolutions are:

MPEG-2, 525/60 (NTSC): 720x480, 704x480, 352x480
MPEG-2, 625/50 (PAL): 720x576, 704x576, 352x576

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ali wrote:
From the DVD Faq, allowable picture resolutions are:

MPEG-2, 525/60 (NTSC): 720x480, 704x480, 352x480
MPEG-2, 625/50 (PAL): 720x576, 704x576, 352x576

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Thanks Ali. I see the difference.

Horiz. res has same possibilities in PAL or NTSC.

Vert res for NTSC is 525 of which 480 is for the picture and remaining taken up by return time for the scan.
Vert res for PAL is 625 of which 576 is for the picture and remaining taken up by return time for the scan.

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rana wrote:
Must give cfredit for one good feature of this DVD/ VCD.

If anyone noticed, the AR is the Theatrical Aspect Ratio.
Remember, EROS DVD is 4:3.

Cut top and bottom of the original 4:3 picture and you have the Theatrical Aspect Ratio of 2.35:1.

Cut the 4:3 picture further from sides as well, and you have the otherwise superior EROS-DEI's 1.85:1 version.

So, credit for the Video in Theatrical Aspect Ratio goes to this Ultra version.

Rana

Compared exctly the same shot as in one of the screen caps above with EROS 4:3 Director's cut SHOLAY. Exactly the same frame.

Nothing is cut from the sides in the ultra DVD/ VCD as compared to what is in the most complete frame of 4:3. Also if we check more carefully, the screen caps above have an AR of 2.05:1. Sholay's claim to fame was its theatrical AR of 2.35:1. Nothing is cut from sides in ultra DVD/ VCD, AR obtained is 2.05:1 implies that there is extra picture at the top and bottom as compared to the Theatrical Aspect Ratio.

This is another example of what portion of the frame gets selected for a version, depends on the mood of the person in-charge on a given day. Even the same person (Director) picks diffrent framing at different times. So, is there such a thing as Original Aspect Ratio??. I don't think so.

For this reason I want to see additional picture, if available, instead of the black bars. Additional picture only in the space wasted by black bars. (There is no wasted space in 1.85:1 Anamorphic DVDs. There is wasted space in 2.35:1 framed 1.85:1 anamorphic DVDs. There is wasted space in 1.85:1 non-anamorphic DVDs).

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rana wrote:
.. Sholay's claim to fame was its theatrical AR of 2.35:1.

Sholay’s 'claim to fame' wasn't the 2.35:1 AR but that it was on 70mm - which has a AR of 2.20:1. Above screen shots show a AR for 2.1 - probably slight inaccuracies of DVD mastering/framing.

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ali wrote:
rana wrote:
.. Sholay's claim to fame was its theatrical AR of 2.35:1.

Sholay’s 'claim to fame' wasn't the 2.35:1 AR but that it was on 70mm - which has a AR of 2.20:1. Above screen shots show a AR for 2.1 - probably slight inaccuracies of DVD mastering/framing.

Ali :baaa:

I thought Sholay's claim to fam was that it had loads of big stars in it, and ran in one cinema for 5 years..........
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I think it ran for over 10 years at some cinema in Mumbai.
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