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Kaun is very very loosely based on Ittefaq. If you've seen both movies you'll realize that besides the fact that they're about a stranger and a woman in a house, a murder, and the movies being very short, the movies are very different.

The gist of my post was about directors that specialize in making frame by frame copies of films (the Bhatt clan, Sanjay Gupta). It's fine to be inspired by an idea; it's a totally different thing to copy a film (and add some variations).

Movies like Kaun may be inspired by an idea, but they hardly qualify as a copy. I also differentiate between the terms copy and remake, but I won't get into that.
As for Aankhen, I thought it was based on the Gujrati play, so I guess the play was a copy of the Hollywood film.

And I see nothing wrong with basing films on plays and books as long as they give credit (that's not copying imo). In fact, Bollywood should base more films on books and plays so atleast the screenplay is coherent.




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Kaun is very very loosely based on Ittefaq. If you've seen both movies you'll realize that besides the fact that they're about a stranger and a woman in a house, a murder, and the movies being very short, the movies are very different.

The gist of my post was about directors that specialize in making frame by frame copies of films (the Bhatt clan, Sanjay Gupta). It's fine to be inspired by an idea; it's a totally different thing to copy a film (and add some variations).

Movies like Kaun may be inspired by an idea, but they hardly qualify as a copy. I also differentiate between the terms copy and remake, but I won't get into that.
As for Aankhen, I thought it was based on the Gujrati play, so I guess the play was a copy of the Hollywood film.

And I see nothing wrong with basing films on plays and books as long as they give credit (that's not copying imo). In fact, Bollywood should base more films on books and plays so atleast the screenplay is coherent.

Hmmm....I do get your point....actually I dont mind attempts like KAUN at all for at least the treatment is different and RGV deserves 100% marks for that...except sometimes he just gets too goofy with his obsession with the horror/scary genre that he will simply try to re-interpret old fare....he's so incredibly talented when it comes to inspiring his crew to write truly original stuff (SATYA, COMPANY even JUNGLE)....and same as you I hate it when Mahesh Bhatt proteges, pretending to be intellectual with spectacles balancing tantalizingly on nose-bridges, give us shit like SUNGHURSH (and a bad second half at that!) in the name of the audience asking for it!

Yeah more for people to adapt/be inspired/remake anything from contemporary writing or the classics (not the ostentious way DEVDAS was!)....I wish someone like Vikram Seth or Amitav Ghosh or Shashi Tharoor are hired by some of these younger makers to write an English even Hinglish script reflective of current times.....THAT will be a day to look forward to!


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It's a good point that few books or plays are adapted into films in Hindi. AFAIK, none of the regional film industries in India adapt books to movies either. Books are adapted into screenplays all the time in Hollywood, and it often leads to good films. There must be good novels and short stories being written in India that would make interesting films.


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It's a good point that few books or plays are adapted into films in Hindi. AFAIK, none of the regional film industries in India adapt books to movies either. Books are adapted into screenplays all the time in Hollywood, and it often leads to good films. There must be good novels and short stories being written in India that would make interesting films.

There was once upon a time, when the novels by Gulshan Nanda were successfully adapted for the big screen. Kati Patang and Jheel ke Us Paar being one of them.

I thought, a lot of Munshi Premchand's novels were successfully adapted ! (and they were all original screenplays)

Though I wouldnt equate Munshi Premchand ( a titan ) with Gulshan Nanda (a candyfloss)


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Though I wouldnt equate Munshi Premchand ( a titan ) with Gulshan Nanda (a candyfloss)

Premchand's GODAAN was made into a movie I remember. A lot of Hrishikesh Mukherjee movies were based on Bengali novels (BEMISAAL, ARJUN PANDIT are examples I know). Gulshan Nanda was more of a pulp fiction writer, a la Alistair Maclean or genre specific maybe one of the Mills & Boon writers would be a more appropriate comparision !

In recent times only ENGLISH AUGUST comes to mind as a movie that was made into a movie from a novel (of the same name by Upamanyu Chatterjee). This was a fine example of how good writing can be converted to a good telling on screen. Good movies can be like good books, with hazaar repeat value. If only the illiterates in Mumbai understood that !! Which is why most of Gulzar movies have so much repeat value....they were great stories on paper and they ARE great stories on celluloid. Our current movies have literature missing from them. Period !




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I thought even Shatranj Ke Khiladi was based on a Munshi Premchand novel ! ... A famous adaptation that comes to my mind would be

Kabuliwala based on Gurudev Rabindranath Tagore's story of the same name... Great film, and great story

Padosan was based on Pasher Baadi (the neighbour's house)


Its been ages since a good novel has been made into a movie.. (Bapshi Sidhwa's novel was the last one) but hopefully thats gonna change...

Amirita Pritam's novel Pinjar is gonna be released soon...as a motion picture.


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yep, 1947 earth!

Wait for new age! kabuliwala...ak.a ESCAPE FROM TALIBAN!


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arsh wrote:
yep, 1947 earth!

Wait for new age! kabuliwala...ak.a ESCAPE FROM TALIBAN!

Couldn't they have changed the title? "Escape from Taliban" sounds like a bad action film or a video game!


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I agree with you, it is one of the worst title! for such a sensitive film/topic! :stupid:


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Anyway, I'd just like to point out that if Tamil OR Hindi films were really all that great on the whole, they wouldn't be the point of all ridicule here in Singapore. People laugh out loud watching Indian films. There is really little competition between North and South movies when it comes to logic. However, Hindi films have a somewhat better reputation because the better looking and better dressed stars. Superficial...but true...BTW Sunny, in a perfect world, money wouldn't be an issue while making films. But it is an issue. That's why Maniratnam keeps reverting back to Hindi cinema. Also, Dubbing a movie is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. It is Maniratnam's idea to remake Aalaipayuthey in Hindi, not the audience's. Obviously, it would be better received if suited to the culture and language of the people it is aimed at. Having unknown actors (to Hindi audience) doesn't help either. As for Kannathil...I don't know why it didn't get voted. Could be a multitude of factors. I haven't seen the film. Maybe he should re-make in Hindi...:) Also, you should note that (as Congress said), the South has been sending a lot of undeserved entries for the Oscars over quite a few years just because the deciding committee was based in Chennai. Finally Earth 1947 was sent, but it fizzled out. And then Lagaan was sent...Chennai had its fair share of years and it sent total crap. Jeans was terribly made fun of by The Straits Times here in Singapore when it was announced as the most expensive Indian film ever (not to mention, being an Oscar submission) . I was extremely embarrassed. BTW, I have to say this, Shankar is one retarded filmmaker. What did the Tamil audience find in that movie??


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Chennai had its fair share of years and it sent total crap. Jeans was terribly made fun of by The Straits Times here in Singapore when it was announced as the most expensive Indian film ever (not to mention, being an Oscar submission) . I was extremely embarrassed. BTW, I have to say this, Shankar is one retarded filmmaker. What did the Tamil audience find in that movie??

The songs from Jeans were massively popular in TN. That is probably why it was such a hit. The story is lame to the 10th power. I don't particularly care for the Shankar films I have seen. If he directed someone else's good story-screenplay, he might make a good film. His films are well shot. It's the scripts that stink. Then there's Baba, another Tamil film that stunk. Suresh Krishna is even less talented than Shankar, IMO, but Aalavandhaan/Abhay has camp value.




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DragunR2 wrote:
I don't particularly care for the Shankar films I have seen.

Except when he makes... Some socially relevant films.. like Indian... can anyone bring out that effect when Kamal Hasan says "Naan Indian" (in tamil of cos)


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sknath wrote:
DragunR2 wrote:
I don't particularly care for the Shankar films I have seen.

Except when he makes... Some socially relevant films.. like Indian... can anyone bring out that effect when Kamal Hasan says "Naan Indian" (in tamil of cos)

Another bad movie :p


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Shanker can go a little nuts when making films. His movies always has the cheesiest special effects.


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And for Sanjay Leela B thinking he can impress oscar critics with chandeliers on sidewalks :p .


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