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shuman
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VijayDinanathChavan wrote:
May be a dumb question...

Are the shemaroo DVD available in NTSC format? If yes, where?

According to shemaroo website Shemaroo FAQs, they don' ship DVDs outside.

Good Question;

Firstly, you are right, they dont ship outside india. I bought directly from india indirectly from shemaroo.com by a friend.

I use Apex DVD player, it plays shemaroo dvds without a problem. Now some of these titles available in IW, NX.. My assumption based on their availability in North-America suggests that they are NTSC compatible. I believe they are encoded as region 0, ali can correct me on this one.

You can buy shemaroo titles available from the following:
www.intelindia.com (MOST if not ALL Shemaroo DVDs available! U$14.95-U$19.95) may excludes the recent releases
www.dvddhamaka.com (Mughal-E-Azam U$9.00, may be more?)
www.indiancdstore.com (Mughal-E-Azam U$12.00, may be more?)
www.indiandvdfilms.com (Anand, Awara, Barsaat, Benaam Badsha, Bobby, Bullet, Chor Chor, Chupke Chupke, Chhupa Rustam, Ganga Ki Saugandh, Ghungroo Ki Awaaz, Tere Mere Sapne, Mughal E Azam, Pakeezah £13.99 (U$21.80 approx.))
www.indiandvd.ca (Bobby, Pakeezah C$20.80 (U$13.35 approx.))
www.nehaflix.com (Arzoo, Benaam Badsha, Bullet, Chupa Rustam, Khatta Meetha, Mera Gaon Mera Desh, Mughal E Azam, Pakeezah U$10.99 - U$12.99)
www.indiaweekly.com (Bobby, Bullet, Chor Chor, Coolie, Do Musafir, Karz, Khatta Meetha, Man Mandir, Mughal-E-Azam, Naya raasta, Pakeezah, Payal, Phool Aur Patthar, Tere Mere Sapne U$8.99 - U$13.99)

Caution: There are number of dvds out there claiming to be shemaroo release; These what we call pirates. There are also number of dvds out there sold replicated.
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GOOD! post SHUMAN! :baaa:
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Hi, I'm in Delhi right now. Saw a few Shemaroo titles selling here in Planet M.
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ali
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Got Benaam Badshah on Shemaroo DVD but can't get it to play on DVDrom to capture screens. I did get to play it once and looks the standard type of Shemaroo transfer - good colours and detail but same type of encoding.

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ali wrote:
Got Benaam Badshah on Shemaroo DVD but can't get it to play on DVDrom to capture screens. I did get to play it once and looks the standard type of Shemaroo transfer - good colours and detail but same type of encoding.

Ali

Do these new Shemaroo DVDs all have the awful DNR Pakeezah
style or have they improved?
Michel
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rana
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Michel, I recently picked up Shemaroo Paakeeza for cheap (I couldn’t resist buying it, for a temp copy, at that price, despite your caution). It’s a typical Shemaroo print but must say its one of the bad ones from Shemaroo. But still this is the best available for now. Shemaroo’s Bobby, Sangam, Prem Rog, SSS are better.

Most of these titles are Thoughly Interlaced meaning 24 fps film has been evenly spread over 60 fields. This implies that one video field contains info from more than one film frame and hence we see multi-images. (Please correct me if you don’t agree with me on this interpretation).

Talking of “Thoroughly Interlaced”, consider Shemaroo’s CHOR CHOR. What I call a nuisance and perhaps you agree about this “Thoroughly Interlaced” encoding, CHOR CHOR DVD PROUDLY claims it to be “SMOOTH VIEWING” (no 2-3 distribution) on its cover in bold print.
What do you say about "SMOOTH VIEWING"??

Rana



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ali
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This is only screen shot I managed to capture from Benaam Badsha DVD;

Image

???

... I cannot play this DVD again my DVDrom or stand alone DVD player - looks one of those cheapo temperamental silver media. From what I did see looks like typical of Shemaroo DVD with excessive noise reduction.

Ali
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REINSTALL ur POWERDVD? that might help..I was scewed up after HATYAR!! too..thnx ???
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rana
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rana wrote:
Michel, I recently picked up Shemaroo Paakeeza for cheap (I couldn’t resist buying it, for a temp copy, at that price, despite your caution). It’s a typical Shemaroo print but must say its one of the bad ones from Shemaroo. But still this is the best available for now. Shemaroo’s Bobby, Sangam, Prem Rog, SSS are better.

All are Thoughly Interlaced meaning 24 fps film has been evenly spread over 60 fields. This implies that one video field contains info from more than one film frame and hence we see multi-images. (Please correct me if you don’t agree with me on this interpretation).

Talking of “Thoroughly Interlaced”, consider Shemaroo’s CHOR CHOR. What I call a nuisance and perhaps you agree about this “Thoroughly Interlaced” encoding, CHOR CHOR DVD PROUDLY claims it to be “SMOOTH VIEWING” (no 2-3 distribution) on its cover in bold print.
What do you say about "SMOOTH VIEWING"??

Rana

Waiting for Michel's response about "Smooth Viewing"??

Rana
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rana wrote:
Michel, I recently picked up Shemaroo Paakeeza for cheap (I couldn?t resist buying it, for a temp copy, at that price, despite your caution). It?s a typical Shemaroo print but must say its one of the bad ones from Shemaroo. But still this is the best available for now. Shemaroo?s Bobby, Sangam, Prem Rog, SSS are better.

All are Thoughly Interlaced meaning 24 fps film has been evenly spread over 60 fields. This implies that one video field contains info from more than one film frame and hence we see multi-images. (Please correct me if you don?t agree with me on this interpretation).
Talking of ?Thoroughly Interlaced?, consider Shemaroo?s CHOR CHOR. What I call a nuisance and perhaps you agree about this ?Thoroughly Interlaced? encoding, CHOR CHOR DVD PROUDLY claims it to be ?SMOOTH VIEWING? (no 2-3 distribution) on its cover in bold print.
What do you say about "SMOOTH VIEWING"??

Rana

Can't say anything without having the DVD, but all NTSC
DVD players that are not progressive players output 60
fields/s interlaced because the standard requires it.
The relevant question is if the 60 fields/s have a correct
2:3 pulldown or not and if the flags are set correctly so
that progressive players that do not analyse the fields
themselves output a correct progressive picture.
I have analysed this issue lately because I was misled too
by PowerDVD output on a PC and misjudged some DVDs.
I will write this up in the coming weeks and post it on
Zulm.
cheers
Michel
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rana
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Thanks Michel.

My question was a different one.

All of Shemaroo DVDs and many other, have no 2-3 pull down whatsoever and hence can’t be detected as there is none to begin with. 24 Film frames have been spread evenly over 60 video fields. There is no repeated frame or video field. This is what Shemaroo calls “Smooth Viewing” as all film frames are displayed same amount of time, not that some are displayed 2 times and some 3 times when viewing on NTSC displays.

My question was about this "Smooth Viewing" that Semaroo thinks is a good feature, I don't.

Rana
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ali
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.. maybe this smooth viewing is just pure marketing talk (read bullshit) that you shouldn't read too much into. Indian DVD makers aren't exactly known for being knowledgeable about what gets printed on the covers!

Ali :sus:
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rana wrote:
Thanks Michel.

My question was a different one.

All of Shemaroo DVDs and many other, have no 2-3 pull down whatsoever and hence can?t be detected as there is none to begin with. 24 Film frames have been spread evenly over 60 video fields. There is no repeated frame or video field. This is what Shemaroo calls ?Smooth Viewing? as all film frames are displayed same amount of time, not that some are displayed 2 times and some 3 times when viewing on NTSC displays.

My question was about this "Smooth Viewing" that Semaroo thinks is a good feature, I don't.

Rana

Every NTSC DVD has some sort of pulldown since film only
delivers 48 fields and NTSC needs 60. Smooth vision or not.
If they don't repeat any fields they must often combine them into new fields, a special kind of pulldown. If
Shemaroo really does not repeat any fields lately they
should be whipped since that amounts to artifact city smearo-blurro-vision. Shudder. :ffs:
Michel
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Hi Michel,

I corrected my post above, where I had stated that all Shemaroo DVDs are Thoroughly Interlaced where 24 Film frames have been evenly spread over 60 Video Fields without repeating any Video Field.

Actually, not all Shemaroo DVDs are like that. Out of the ones that I have, I found 2 types.
1) Pakeeza, Chor Chor, Awara, Shri 420, Sangam, Prem Rog, are all interlaced where film frames have been equally spread without any repeats.
2) Bobby, Mughal-E-Azam, Satyam Shivam Sundaram are the kind where, although progressive flags aren’t recorded, video fields have been repeated in 2-3 sequence and correct 2-3 pull down is available. Just like Na Tum Jaano Na Hum and Aap Mujhe Achhe Lagne Lage.

In the second category, SSS and Bobby prints are good.

Michel, if you have Shemaroo Bobby or SSS, then I would like to see your comments on these DVDs as opposed to the Category 1 DVDs which Shemaroo calls them “Smooth Viewing”.

Correct Progressive, like DEI is the best but given a choice between Category 1 and Category 2, I would prefer Category 2 DVDs where 2-3 pull down is detectable by Pixel to Pixel comparison.

Hopefully, Shemaroo may get it right someday that Category 2 is better than its Category 1 encoding. Presently Shemaroo thinks otherwise as it considers Category 1’s smooth viewing as good and uses it as marketing tool.

Rana



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rana wrote:
Hi Michel,

I corrected my post above, where I had stated that all Shemaroo DVDs are Thoroughly Interlaced where 24 Film frames have been evenly spread over 60 Video Fields without repeating any Video Field.

Actually, not all Shemaroo DVDs are like that. Out of the ones that I have, I found 2 types.
1) Pakeeza, Chor Chor, Awara, Sangam, Prem Rog, are all interlaced where film frames have been equally spread without any repeats.
2) Bobby, Mughal-E-Azam, Satyam Shivam Sundaram are the kind where, although progressive flags aren?t recorded, video fields have been repeated in 2-3 sequence and correct 2-3 pull down is available. Just like Na Tum Jaano Na Hum and Aap Mujhe Achhe Lagne Lage.

In the second category, SSS and Bobby prints are good.

Michel, if you have Shemaroo Bobby or SSS, then I would like to see your comments on these DVDs as opposed to the Category 1 DVDs which Shemaroo calls them ?Smooth Viewing?.

Correct Progressive, like DEI is the best but given a choice between Category 1 and Category 2, I would prefer Category 2 DVDs where 2-3 pull down is detectable by Pixel to Pixel comparison.

Hopefully, Shemaroo may get it right someday that Category 2 is better than its Category 1 encoding. Presently Shemaroo thinks otherwise as it considers Category 1?s smooth viewing as good and uses it as marketing tool.

Rana

Don't have SSS or Bobby but Pakeezah. If Pakeezah is
smooth viewing it means they are averaging fields in
some cases because that's what is on the Pakeezah DVD.
It's a mixture of regular pulldown and field averaging
like other DVDs from other labels. It's neither new nor
is it good if you can watch progressively. It smears
the picture.
Michel
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