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Shakti (1982, Ramesh Sippy)
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*Dilip Kumar, Amitabh Bachchan, Rakhee Gulzar, Smita Patil -
Ashok Kumar, Amrish Puri, Kulbhushan Kharbanda & Anil Kapoor.

Produced by Mushir-Riaz
Directed by Ramesh Sippy

Written by Salim-Javed
Music - Rahul Dev Burman

Seven years after Ramesh Sippy with writers Javed Akhtar and Salim Khan emblazed the Indian cinema scene with Sholay (1975 - Dharmendra and Amitabh Bachchan) the trio returned in 1982 with Shakti. The film brought together two of the biggest and most well known stars of the Indian cinema ever, Dilip Kumar and Amitabh Bachchan. Although not a commercial success, Shakti won critical acclaim for over empowering performances from both lead stars - every scene with Dilip and Amitabh are exhilarating to watch. The film went on to win four Filmfare awards in 1983 for best film, best actor (Dilip Kumar), best screenplay and best sound recordist. Even today the film remains one for the best cinema epics ever made.

A scrupulously honest cop refuses kidnappers' demands at grave risk to the life of his son. The son is rescued but lives forever scarred by his father's willingness to sacrifice his own son for the sake of his principles. This works out to devastating effect when the son grows up to be a Mafia don, and his father is assigned the job of bringing him in.

Amitabh Bachchan returns one more time to play Salim-Javed's Vijay.
In a way, "Shakti" extended the character from "Zanjeer" and "Deewar" thereby making this the third monument in Salim-Javed's trilogy.

A child grows up with a grudge against his father, a honest and incorruptible policeman, who refused to negotiate his release from his son's kidnappers. Now grown up, the son faces a murder charge, will his father help him now?

Amitabh Bachchan plays Vijay Kumar, son of the righteous police officer Ashwini Kumar (Dilip Kumar) who comes to resent the law because he feels his dad's job causes him to neglect his family. When he takes a job working with a known smuggler he finally has a place in life where he's wanted - and as he rises to the top the smuggler begins to treat him more and more like a son. But Vijay's new career creates a rift with his dad that inevitably leads to conflict... but of course it's poor mum (Rakhee Gulzar) that suffers the most.

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In most vital ways, Sippy succeeded in going beyond "Sholay" in "Shakti".

Salim-Javed have admitted that "Shakti" was almost flawless as a script.
Ramesh Sippy never floundered in delineating the central relationship though the media spent a lot of time and ink comparing father Dilip Kumar's performance with son Bachchan, the two performances complemented each other perfectly.

Ramesh Sippy's direction never over-stated the case. The confrontations were always controlled and therefore doubly compelling. The climax on the runway of an airport, where the self-righteous father guns down Vijay, was stylish and energetic.

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SHAKTI [Strength]

An indepth look at the masterpiece:


In the Hindi film, the end is where we start from, a point that is reinforced by Shakti, one of the big multi-star films directed by Ramesh Sippy. Here the police officer (Ashwini Kumar, played by Dilip Kumar) is the father of Vijay (Amitabh Bachchan), and -- as in most Hindi films -- he is a man of strict moral code, bound beyond everything else to the performance of his duty, incapable of being corrupted. [His opposite is the corrupt police officer, also a familiar figure in Hindi films.] Ashwinis moral resolve and fierce combativity make him an altogether unpalatable figure for J. K. (Amrish Puri), a man who runs illicit liquor shops and a large smuggling business, and who now resolves upon kidnapping Vijay as the only way of breaking Ashwinis will and having his principal associate released from jail. Vijay is taken hostage, and J. K. places a call to Ashwini, saying that he must have his answer in half an hour. Looking across at Vijay, J. K. says: "We shall find out soon how much your father loves you." But Ashwini avers that he shall not compromise his duty in order to save the life of his son: "I know my sons life is in your hands at this time. You can kill him. Do what you want with him, but I won't dishonor my obligations." Unknown to him, this message, as it comes across the machine, is heard by his son in captivity, who will henceforth, for the rest of his life, labor under the illusion that his life is of no meaning to his own father. Vijay little realizes that his fathers love for him and his duty as a police officer are not mutually exclusive, nor is he cognizant of the fact that, in having prolonged the negotiation, Ashwini has gained the time he needed to have the phone call traced. Before Ashwini and his men can arrive at J.K's hideout, Vijay has given his captors the slip, and that day, as he is chased down narrow alleys, his life is saved by Narang (Khulbushan Kharbanda), who will himself become a mafia don one day and the employer of a grateful Vijay.


As in Deewar, so in Shakti Vijay undoubtedly has the sense of being abandoned. Where in Deewar the words, "Your father is a thief", were burnt into his flesh, in Shakti the refrain of those words, "You can kill him", leave an indelible impress on Vijay's mind. If ever language, and an act of misreading, dictated the course of a mans life, such is Vijay's life. As he returns from school one day, kicking a can lying on the street, we see him transformed -- through a match cut -- to a lanky young man, aimlessly adrift. The match cut signifies not merely the empty passage of time, but also the alteration of states of mind: thus, through this match cut, we are confronted with the possibility that Vijay's transformation into an outsider is now virtually complete. The conversation that then takes place between him and Roma (Smita Patil), a woman whose modesty he has prevented from being outraged by some goons with whom she was traveling on a train, appears to confirm this:

Vijay: Won't your folks at home be anxious [at your being late]?

Roma: If there were folks at home, they would have been -- as it, I live by myself.

Vijay: You live alone? Aren't you afraid?

Roma: When I'm alone, then there is only me. And what is there to fear from oneself?

Vijay: I'm only afraid of myself.

Roma: Do you also live by yourself?

Vijay: Well, one can be alone even while living with others.


If in the existential sense one recognizes oneself, and knows oneself, as an outsider, then that perhaps defines Vijay's state. But no such claim about Vijay, in the ontological or even sociological sense, is advanced; and indeed from here the entire movement of the film will be to draw Vijay into the realm of the human community. As in Deewar, Vijay falls into a relationship with Roma, and if in Deewar the relationship with Parveen Babi was first abrogated with her death, in Shakti it will terminate with Vijay's own death. The brutal fact that such relationships cannot be sanctified through the act of marriage, because they are violative of the social codes instituted by sanctimonious patriarchs, does by no means render Vijay into an outsider; rather, it is suggestive of the fact that his incorporation will have to take a different route. Those morphological elements which determined the structure of Deewar are present in Shakti as well, which means that the figure of the mother will be critical, except that in Shakti she cannot be an altogether successful source of mediation between her husband and her son. At one point, having been admonished by his father for leading the life of an idler and worse, Vijay quite sternly tells his mother: "I have no need for lectures." She replies, "Yes, you seem to need no one. Not even me", whereupon he is quick to respond: "I need you very much." ("Mujhe tumari bahut jaroorat hai.") Here, and elsewhere, the son is no outsider to the mother, but nonetheless the relationship between mother and son is not entirely on the same footing as in Deewar, for a mechanical application of the formula will satisfy neither Vijay nor the viewer.


It is his father with whom Vijay must settle his relationship if he is not to become the outsider that he appears to be, and accordingly the film moves towards that resolution. Ashwini has made J.K.'s life miserable, his illegal operations have been largely shut down, and J.K. must now flee the country, but before doing so he resolves upon terminating Ashwini's life. The bullets intended for Ashwini find their target in his wife instead: that death, too, was necessary, for as the film has suggested all along, no rapprochement between father and son is possible as long as she is alive, not that she aimed at being an hindrance to the achievement of that objective. Some matters can only be settled between fathers and sons. At this point, with the death of Sheetal, Vijay's incorporation into the human community is complete, for father and son can now mourn in common. That much Ashwini realizes: whatever his son may be, he is fully cognizant of the fact that Vijay feels that loss deeply, and Vijay too is brought to an awareness of the loss suffered by his father. This obviates the necessity for a more formal reconciliation, but the plot must move to its end dialectically. Now is not the time for contemplation, but for action, and this can signal nothing else but a violent end to the life, at the hands of Vijay, of J. K., who it transpires is the same man who has abducted him years ago. But Ashwini is a senior police officer, and duty reigns supreme: he chases Vijay across the length of the airport, and his reluctant bullet eventually finds its mark. There everything is revealed, and the misreading is set straight; as Vijay dies in his father's lap, it is with the reassurance that his incorporation into the family fold, and into his father's inner life, is now complete.




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This is a great thread, one I thought deserved to be revived. These are the movies that ought to be released on blu-ray, so that once again we can enjoy them at their best.

As for the list itself, I personally do not agree with atleast a few titles, which I think are way over rated and in fact some of them I find to be atrociously bad films. Some of them are ok titles, but definately do not belong in an 'all time top 100 list'. I know some of these are very popular titles and thus I am already ducking for cover, but still the one's that stick out the most for me are the following:
Tezaab
Khamoshi - The Musical
Chandni
Agneepath
Lamhe
Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam

Others I have a problem with, but only to the extent that they do not belong in this list:
Kaala Pathar
Naseeb
Silsila
Shaan
Betaab
1942 A Love Story
Reshma Aur Shera
Asoka
Qurbani
Rangeela
Sarfarosh

My list of movies that ought to have been included (I am sure there are many more and maybe even better movies, but these are the one's that came to mind right away:
Aavishkar
Amar Prem
Angoor
Avtaar
Bawarchi
Dulhan Wahi Jo Piya Man Bhaye
Dushman (1971)
Golmaal (1979)
Ittefaq
Jaagte Raho
Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikander
Junoon (1978)
Kalyug (1981)
Kati Patang
Mausam
Monsoon Wedding
Namak Haram
Pati Patni Aur Woh
Pinjar
Satyakam
Sangam
Shool

Titles I think that belong in the list, but were released after the list was posted:
Black Friday
Dev D.
Ek Hasina Thi
Ishqiya
Jab We Met
Johnny Gaddar
Khosla Ka Ghosla
Lage Raho Munnabhai
Maqbool
Omkaara
Parineeta


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I agree Sanjay, some of the listed films like Tezaab & Asoka are replacable with much better work.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:55 pm 
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raj wrote:
I agree Sanjay, some of the listed films like Tezaab & Asoka are replacable with much better work.


if it list like AFDC or IMDB , but otherwise of course could be subjective. We can all vote and after voting can name winners! how abt that. Make it sticky


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 11:59 am 
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Zoran009 wrote:
We can all vote and after voting can name winners! how abt that. Make it sticky

Please refer to the following threads:
Questions/Comments/Sugestions - 'Zulmi Top 100 Hindi Movies'
Zulmi Top 100 Hindi Movies.


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Many thanks for this new great thread!

Do we have a techie guy make it in a way, Ali or legend, less than 5 votes, automatic disappear?


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Honestly HDDCS and khamoshi the musical these days is quite underrated

Its films like Devdas and Kuch Kuch Hota Hai which is overrated like shit.


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Raghuvir wrote:
Honestly HDDCS and khamoshi the musical these days is quite underrated

Its films like Devdas and Kuch Kuch Hota Hai which is overrated like shit.


I liked Khamoshi The Musical, but if anything, HDDCS is hugely overrated - the film should never have really done that well. Salman and Aishwarya were pretty annoying throughout most of the film.


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bhaskar wrote:
HDDCS is hugely overrated - the film should never have really done that well. Salman and Aishwarya were pretty annoying throughout most of the film.

LOL! :lol:
Whatever, I simply adore it :love:


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I have to agree about HDDCS ... it is a very flawed movie. Shooting half of the movie in Hungary and passing it off as Italy with Hungarian actors speaking Hungarian is not what I call quality cinema. Salman's scene with Helen where he is trying to cry is one of the worst pieces of bad acting I have seen in any movie to date.

The good stuff in the movie (the music, photography, art direction and story) isn't good enough to outweigh the bad IMO. I can understand though that you have a personal attachment to the movie so don't take my comments too harshly.


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LOL!
No offense taken!
Your opinion is of your own and valid too...

My point was that, these days, it is forgotten and neglected. During its initial release and a few years after that, it might be overrated, but no longer.

About the Italy-Hungary thing, it was LAME of them to call those scenes Italian. iMDB states that SLB thought that Hungary wouldn't connect to the masses - LAME!! Actually it is a budget pr permission dispute.

But what I adore is - Ash, Ajay, Music, Colors, Cinematography, Locations, Story, and the DEi DVD. :lol:


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Ragz wrote:
bhaskar wrote:
HDDCS is hugely overrated - the film should never have really done that well. Salman and Aishwarya were pretty annoying throughout most of the film.

LOL! :lol:
Whatever, I simply adore it :love:


We hadn't noticed!


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